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re: DOJ coming after TD posters soon because of... MEMES?

Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:38 am to
Posted by efrad
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:38 am to
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Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:40 am to
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you fudge packing fig newton
"Anyone who disagrees with me is gay."

Discourse on the TDPT.
Posted by CleverUserName
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:44 am to
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I DO think the case turns on intent. This guy did not just make a meme and tell people to text to BR549 (classical reference). He undertook the effort and expense of actually setting up a real text number, so that victims would believe that they had voted. That strikes me as strong circumstantial evidence of intent.


And I repeat....

Linky
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JOE BIDEN: By electing John and the Reverend, you can make an immediate difference in your own lives, the lives of people all across this country, because their election will put an end to the block in Washington of that $2,000 stimulus check, that money that will go out the door immediately to help people who are in real trouble. Think about [? what it ?] will mean, to your lives, putting food on the table, paying rent, paying your mortgage, paying down the credit card, paying the phone bill, the gas bill,


Just admit this was disenfranchisement based on your argument. Cmon... you can do it!

This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 9:48 am
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:46 am to
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"Anyone who disagrees with me is gay."

Discourse on the TDPT.

Your statement had nothing to do with disagreeing. It was retarded.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:47 am to
I'll ask again.

If a prank meme is illegal, why arent democrats who made the EXACT same meme to trick Trump voters being arrested too? Why arent their memes being taken down? Why didnt Lynch, Sessions, or Barr arrest people for this?

If its not illegal to stand in from of a polling location with a billy club and shout at would-be republican voters (thanks Eric Holder) than how tf is this "illegal"?

The reality is, you didnt have an opinion about it until dems decided it was bad, and like a good little boy, you fell in line.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:48 am to
According to Boosie, Joe Biden should be arrested for tricking Georgia voters into voting for him with the empty promise of a $2k check.

Jail Joe Biden today!
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:50 am to
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If a prank meme is illegal, why arent democrats who made the EXACT same meme to trick Trump voters being arrested too? Why arent their memes being taken down? Why didnt Lynch, Sessions, or Barr arrest people for this?


They should be.

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If its not illegal to stand in from of a polling location with a billy club and shout at would-be republican voters (thanks Eric Holder) than how tf is this "illegal"?


Should be and they should have been arrested.

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The reality is, you didnt have an opinion about it until dems decided it was bad, and like a good little boy, you fell in line.


The reality is I didn’t know about it until the DOJ press release. Believe it or bit, I can’t keep up with every meme on the internet.

Now what about this particular guy setting up an actual number for people to text? Still just a meme?
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:51 am to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:53 am to
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should be


Ok, so we've at least some to a place where you admit that you are stating your personal opinion and it isn't at all rooted in law. progress.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:53 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:54 am to
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If a prank meme is illegal, why arent democrats who made the EXACT same meme to trick Trump voters being arrested too?
I have seen it, and I think that it too is inappropriate. The question is whether it stepped over the line from "inappropriate" to "election fraud." I don't know whether the Dem version is associated with similar evidence of criminal intent (e.g. paying for an actual text number to take and tabulate the calls). If so, its author should also be prosecuted. If (OTOH) the text number was something akin to BR549, the intent element becomes problematic.
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If its not illegal to stand in from of a polling location with a billy club and shout at would-be republican voters (thanks Eric Holder) than how tf is this "illegal"?
Every state has a statute about how close to a polling place one can engage in "electioneering." If those individuals violated that space, they too should be prosecuted under that statute. Hell, depending upon what they were saying, I would support prosecution for "assault" (in some states, incl TexPenCode 22.01) and/or "terroristic threat" (in some states, incl TexPenCode 222.07).

Voter intimidation or election fraud. Both undermine our electoral system.
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Posted by efrad
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:55 am to
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Posted by Vacherie Saint
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:58 am to
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"election fraud"

This is where the debate breaks down.
Dems look at some memes from Russia and see a rigged election. They read a transcript of a phone call between world leaders and see election fraud. Yet when small cases of actual voter fraud are revealed, you shrug your shoulders and dismiss it. Odd.

ETA. and you and Boosie both reacted to cases of republican voter suppression about as we expected. "They should have been prosecuetd too!" Except when it mattered, that wasnt the sentiment.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 10:00 am
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:58 am to
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you are stating your personal opinion and it isn't at all rooted in law


Why isn’t it rooted in law? You’re trying to pin me down on the unequal application of the law and when I state that the law should be applied equally now that’s just my opinion and not rooted in the law?

You’re trying too hard to make it personal and it’s weakening your argument.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 9:59 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 9:59 am to
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Now what about this particular guy setting up an actual number for people to text? Still just a meme?
What's the source for this?
www.ivisionmobile.com

It is a company which handles political texts. You have to register an account with the company in order to receive and tabulate data on texts thru their service.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 10:01 am
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:01 am to
show me the law. I think we could have ended this on page 2 had you one to reference.
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You’re trying too hard to make it personal and it’s weakening your argument.


I'd contend that weak arguments are ones of political convenience. Dems who were silent over republican voter suppression forever suddenly want to jail internet trolls? Thats odd. Sort of like Trump voters who magically saw no issue with out of control deficit spending.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 10:09 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:05 am to
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Just admit this was disenfranchisement based on your argument. Cmon... you can do it!
I see a significant difference between (1) a politician telling people that which he hopes to accomplish and (2) a person affirmatively-lying to a potential voter in an attempt to cancel his/her vote.

There is also a significant difference between trying to win someone's vote and attempting to prevent them from exercising the franchise.

If you see them as being equivalent, nothing that I say is going to change your mind.
This post was edited on 2/4/21 at 10:12 am
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:07 am to
18 USC 241

It’s right here in the complaint: LINK
Posted by boosiebadazz
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:07 am to
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I see a significant difference between (1) a politician telling people that which he hopes to accomplish and (2) a person affirmatively-lying to a potential voter in an attempt to cancel his/her vote.



Especially when Joe Biden doesn’t have the unilateral power to pass the $2,000 checks.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/4/21 at 10:08 am to
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show me the law. I think we could have ended this on page 2 had you one to reference.
You are Boosie appear to both believe that the law should be applied equally. You just define it differently.

Boosie thinks this guy should be prosecuted and that other perpetrators of similar schemes should also be prosecuted.

You think that this guy should NOT be prosecuted, because a different prosecutor in a different state did not choose to prosecute the perpetrator of a similar scheme.
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