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re: Does it not seem like a third party much more centric could come in and take over?
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:12 am to McLemore
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:12 am to McLemore
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but what is far right?
Far right is anything that doesn’t align itself with the agendas of the far left. Truth be known, if any of our founding fathers showed up to Congress one day, they’d be hailed as the most far right extremists ever by the left, simply due to har far left this country has become.
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Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:14 am to Mike da Tigah
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Let’s examine how this goes at present. Left goes farther left and right goes more center to get things accomplished, and the center line moves further left. Wash and repeat because the right is always the one who’s expected to move to center, NEVER THE LEFT, and so the line for what is the center position is forever moving further left, which is why what once was left is now center.
Generally speaking it's always going to slowly move left for a very simple reason.
4 million people turn 18 every year.
2.5m people die every year.
As long as a population is growing, then it will slowly lean more to the left.
Of course banning Roe v Wade and implementing full bans on abortions with no exceptions probably didn't help matters much. And running a populist demagogue who independent voters dislike is generally a recipe for disaster.
Honestly I don't think the left will come to the center unless Republicans run someone else. They've already beaten Trump once with a dude who is one foot out of the grave. Only an idiot would run that again with a population that's gotten younger and where a frickload of older people have died to COVID.
Yet here we are.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:16 am to Tvilletiger
The Uniparty will not allow it.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:23 am to tango029
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4 million people turn 18 every year.
2.5m people die every year.
As long as a population is growing, then it will slowly lean more to the left.
The missing ingredients here though are the erosion of our values, incrimination of our founding fathers and the principles for government that made us a very desirable country to immigrate to in the first place, the indoctrination of the youth in schools and entertainment, the falling away from faith, and breakdown in the family that causes the erosion of values to take place.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:36 am to Tvilletiger
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far right
Please define.
Please illustrate with federal legislation that was passed.
Maybe, some state abortion laws.
And that's a stretch.
It's mainstream for Democrats to pretend men can be women.
Pretend illegals deserve Rights.
Favor Muslims over Christians.
Support reparations.
Support Affirmative action.
On and on.
Republicans are very centrist now.
Modern Republicans are basically 1996 Bill Clinton.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:36 am to Tvilletiger
That’s what we need, more centrist politics to keep things the same because everything is going so well.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:38 am to Mike da Tigah
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The missing ingredients here though are the erosion of our values, incrimination of our founding fathers and the principles for government that made us a very desirable country to immigrate to in the first place, the indoctrination of the youth in schools and entertainment, the falling away from faith, and breakdown in the family that causes the erosion of values to take place.
Faith is by and large indoctrination. (You don't find a ton of muslim kids with catholic parents and vice versa). Kids are groomed at an early age by their parents, Sunday school, e.t.c to believe in xyz religion. America being the melting pot often the parents aren't same religion so many don't enforce that indoctrination on their children.
The result is religion isn't as popular because people are more as able to decide as adults vs being indoctrinated as children. I also like to think people are better educated and can make choices better.
The rest is just evolution. Prohibition, industrialization moving people from the farms to the cities, radio, television,
internet, each giving people access to information outside their immediate and often insulated communities, Gays were generally shunned until the 70s due to the rigid control of Christians (ignoring the fact that gay's have been running around since ancient times).
Everyone older thinks it was better when they were younger because that's just what they grew up with.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 6:40 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:39 am to stuntman
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What does this actually mean
Less federal government in every way more power to local and state governments.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:44 am to tango029
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Faith is by and large indoctrination. (You don't find a ton of muslim kids with catholic parents and vice versa). Kids are groomed at an early age by their parents, Sunday school, e.t.c to believe in xyz religion. America being the melting pot often the parents aren't same religion so many don't enforce that indoctrination on their children.
I was indoctrinated by observing God’s creation, and first coming to the obvious of conclusions that it’s by no means by chance that some cosmic bottle was shaken and all of this came into existence by it’s own. Then I moved to searching for answers with an open mind and open heart, and eventually came upon the reality through that searching, and that reality when you encounter it is impossible to refute. It wasn’t indoctrination, and it wasn’t religion I was looking for. It was truth.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:52 am to Mike da Tigah
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I was indoctrinated by observing God’s creation, and first coming to the obvious of conclusions that it’s by no means by chance that some cosmic bottle was shaken and all of this came into existence by it’s own. Then I moved to searching for answers with an open mind and open heart, and eventually came upon the reality through that searching, and that reality when you encounter it is impossible to refute. It wasn’t indoctrination, and it wasn’t religion I was looking for. It was truth.
If you're one of the few that converted as an adult, congrats. You're not in the majority though. Most were indoctrinated as children. Feel free to quiz your friends at church.
And the reality is without grooming children the church can't maintain it's numbers. That's not to say people have somehow become less morale, but that hard lines in the sand that were enforced by the church (abortion, pre marital sex, anti gay) are simply not morale issues to them.
Honestly I think some people spend far too much time trying to tell other people what to do and how to live their lives.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:22 am to Mike da Tigah
Call me far right if Dems and the media define what "far right" means. It's a badge of honor.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 7:23 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:28 am to tango029
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If you're one of the few that converted as an adult, congrats. You're not in the majority though. Most were indoctrinated as children.
And what you find there is more of tradition and religion instead of faith. It’s the truth, but every one of us have to have our own journey to putting our faith in Christ. Mine came from reaching out in faith, and then the reality of God’s presence is something you don’t ever forget, but then reading His word causes that mustard seed of faith to grow because it’s a spiritual book that is very much alive and it stirs it up within us as we learn, and draws us closer to him as we feel His presence in our lives, which in turn changes us over time.
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And the reality is without grooming children the church can't maintain it's numbers. That's not to say people have somehow become less morale, but that hard lines in the sand that were enforced by the church (abortion, pre marital sex, anti gay) are simply not morale issues to them.
People will ebb and flow and nobody is the same person they once were when they were younger, but the real problem is when we become rigid in our beliefs as younger people and fail to search for real truth
I think we have an innate sense of a creator, and what is right and wrong to some degree from birth. I think God wired that into us to some degree, but that is calloused over and manipulated as we get older, have negative experiences, hurts, and other indoctrination through education, interactions with other people with their own emotional baggage, fears, and indoctrinations, and this breeds confusion as to what really is right and wrong and the reality of an active creator at work in our existence. What God does is take all that mess of wiring and cleans it up like fixing a backlash on a rod and real, and then things start to make sense as we see the natural order in which was initially intended for us to live healthy and rational lives. When you remove that sanity, you get what’s going on in this country at present, a very crazy and unhappy place, searching for fulfillment in things that do not fulfill them, only addict them, and enslave them to it. It’s much easier to find yourself on this road than on the healthy and correct one for your own good, and more than most find that road than the other, but hey, it’s still a struggle for all of us not matter if you believe or not. We are all still very much human beings.
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Honestly I think some people spend far too much time trying to tell other people what to do and how to live their lives.
You’re right, but that’s not relegated to people with faith, or the uber religious either. That’s humanity. We all believe in something that’s important to us. I fully understand one thing, and that is that I DO NOT have the power to make anyone believe. That is something everyone has to find on their own, and God is who does the drawing and saving. I am here to declare and testify. That being said, it’s obvious that if I really believe in what I say I believe in that it will be very important to me to share it with others if I say I love them as God instructs me to. If I didn’t, then I would just never share it because it would just be about me, and who cares about them.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:42 am to Tvilletiger
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then a bunch of people that are just sick of all the politics and would just fall in line somewhere down the middle?
Another way to describe this group is complacent. Try building a party out of a bunch of people who don’t even care enough to educate themselves on the issues.
What we actually have in America is two parties that each command about 40% of the voters. Then we have a group that swings one way or the other to stop the lunacy of one of the parties.
In my lifetime I saw the neocons swing from supporting the Great Society to alignment with Republicans as it became clear that the USSR must be stopped. Then they swung back as the “Moral Majority” arose to grab control of the Republican Party. Now, the woke extremism is pushing them to the Republicans, but they won’t go because of Trump.
As soon as Trump is out of the picture you will see a sudden realignment. It might happen anyway, because the woke push is so bad.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:43 am to G The Tiger Fan
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A third party has zero chance.
This is correct. I have been involved with a few things in the past in the state of LA and it gained absolutely zero traction. This was just at the state level.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:47 am to Tvilletiger
No, it does not. Unfortunately
Posted on 9/14/23 at 9:45 am to Mike da Tigah
If any legitimate 3rd Party arose the Uni-Party would squash it like a bug.
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