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re: Does anyone realize Trump having classified docs not illegal?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:33 am to memphisplaya
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:33 am to memphisplaya
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know it’s difficult for you redneck Trumpkins to understand.
Btw, don’t we come up with the best nicknames for you sheep?
As I was saying , before you interrupted me for the umptenth time, Trump had nuclear documents that are 100% classified and was going to share them with his BFF Putin.
He pocketed donations from his Stop the Steal campaign and bought protection for himself and his family as they give our secrets with Russia. He needs to be in jail for everything he has done.
Charlottesville, Covid, Mara largo golf when he’s suppose to be working, impeachment x2 and if that wasn’t enough he incited an “erection” on January 6th.
He’s racist, fascist, transphobic, xenophobic, overdress fish, gets two scoops and is a fat McDonald’s loving bigot that would sell us out to the highest bidder. We’ve NEVER had a president that had such serious foreign interference and obvious multiple deals with foreign nations to enrich himself and his corrupt family.
I hope you election deniers wake up and realize Biden is having to clean up all Trump’s mess like the economy and judges and has us roaring back to pre Trump times.
If you’ve read this far, kudos and Trump 2024
Nicely played. You sucked in quite a few with this. Almost had me.
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Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:34 am to mmcgrath
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what Trump did is worse since he stole documents which contained defense and government secrets and actively tried to conceal / keep them from the government for over a year. We still don't know if everything was recovered.
You don’t know shite. Certainly no more than any of the rest of us.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:40 am to CelticDog
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and should you bother to read Ottothewise post from February 2016 you will observe I was among the first on TD and then frequent to call for her indictment.
As an obvious and admitted alter, how in the hell are you still allowed to post?
Does Chicken realize that you’re a retard and pities you?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:37 am to Vacherie Saint
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Hillary hid state communications on a secret server, then destroyed evidence under subpoena. She then hired her cohorts as attorneys so they couldn’t testify against her, and that’s somehow better than a former president still having his own papers, classified under law, in a secure location, vetted by feds, who he is actively working with to transfer to the national archives just as Obama did?
They were never his papers and they were never stored in a secure location. Trump hid the documents and lied about them for over a year.
Obama never touched the documents, and you know that is just a stupid made up what about ism. Stick to Hillary.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:40 am to Dreamville
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dude I ask this with nothing but love in my heart but are you fricking retarded?
I'm just curious.
The law says...
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Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion
That means the former president gets to decide. It is his ultimate decision.
You say...
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The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, the President's immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise or assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
and
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he term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.
but but but who decides in the case of the archive wanting things as records that everyone on the planet feels are presidential records?
I mean there has to be someone who can decide in these cases...
Oh, yeah,
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the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion
I am serious here. Who decides? I think it is pretty clear. Everyone else can disagree. You, myself, the judge, Biden. But you know who gets to decide?
The former president.
Please, please, please clear this up for me.
Also, you know how disagreements are handled? They are civil matters. Not matters for the DOJ or the FBI to get involved in.
I understand many of the documents that trump had sound like they would be presidential documents and not personal documents.
However the person who is tasked with making that decision disagrees.
And sending the fbi into the former presidents home in a public raid without letting anyone know except the press sounds like something fishy was going on.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:51 am to thetempleowl
quote:This is incredibly false logic that you continue to hang your hat on. Declassifying a document (which didn't happen) doesn't automatically publish it to the world. Sharing state secrets, classified or not, is illegal.
Actually no. You see the government decided those documents were no longer classified or secret.
So the government decided those documents could be seen by anyone including the homeless person down the street and even putin.
quote:JFC. Any court in the land would laugh at this defense. There has to be witnesses and a shred of documentation at the time, as that power resides only in a current president. Allowing ex-presidents to announce years later that they declassified something would de facto extend the right to declassify to any ex president for as long as they live. Hell, even after their death a staffer could claim that they heard a president declassify something.
The fbi knows they were marked to secret, etc. But they know that legally they can't prove Trump didn't declassify them so when he said he declassified them, they have to take his word
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He let the fbi see the documents in June.
If you are saying he tried to conceal them that is crazy.
And he kept them from the government?
You need to specify.
He kept them from the national archives which wanted them
No, he provided them with boxes of some of the documents, not all. As per the affidavit the documents were stored in different locations in Mar a Lago. And the docs were not his. They belong to the US government. The National Archives is acting on behalf of the US in retrieving them.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:54 am to thetempleowl
quote:That whole thing about segregation of stuff during the Presidency has been explained to you several times over. It doesn't apply to post presidency. Stop it.
That means the former president gets to decide. It is his ultimate decision.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:56 am to mmcgrath
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(which didn't happen)
It did.
The rest of your post, like all of your opinions since the 2nd grade, are therefore moot.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:57 am to mmcgrath
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There has to be witnesses and a shred of documentation at the time, as that power resides only in a current president. Allowing ex-presidents to announce years later that they declassified something would de facto extend the right to declassify to any ex president for as long as they live. Hell, even after their death a staffer could claim that they heard a president declassify something.
Prove that Trump didn't declassify them.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 11:42 am to mmcgrath
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That whole thing about segregation of stuff during the Presidency has been explained to you several times over. It doesn't apply to post presidency. Stop it.
WTF?
We are talking about the presidential records act.
It only applies to the post presidency.
The national archives seeks to preserve the records of former presidents. That is what this whole thing is about.
Do you even realize this? We are talking about the PRA of 1978. It sets up how these things work. The exact same situation occurred with Billy Clinton who had stuff in his sock drawer that the national archives wanted. The doj said it contained classified and top secret information.
The case was dismissed and Clinton kept the stuff in his sock drawer.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 12:01 pm to memphisplaya
Wait you still believe the Charlottesville hoax - wow you are dumber than a rock
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