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re: Do you support the release of the Dem memo?

Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:32 am to
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:32 am to
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Remember when you had supposed principles and were not a complete hack?





I took abuse from Trumpkins on here just this past week after I shite on Trump for that bullshite immigration proposal (actually amnesty) that I fricking hate and I will still do it again any day of the week.

Dude.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:32 am to
I think that’s a poignant answer, Reb. Does that acknowledge the possibility that there is real, actual, classified info in the warrant that should not be made public?
Posted by Geaux-2-L-O-Miss
Between Your Ears
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:32 am to
Yes, release all unclassified documents. While I believe in transparency; there are some items that may need to be classified. The info released today does not meet my definition of classified.

Having said that; can someone explain to me why so many people said this memo was going to hurt our ability to spy or why the memo undermined our intelligence community and allies? I didn't read anything that called out specifics other than an ex spy who was paid by several sources for information that was/is "unverified".

The memo didn't call out investigative techniques are name undercover agents; so what was so bad about it?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:34 am to
Because it was cherry picked. But let’s suppose Woods procedures were followed and the Dutch had a wiretap or an undercover operative that corroborated some of the info from the dossier.

Should that be revealed or should we just be left thinking it was not corroborated?
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 12:35 am
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:37 am to
As long as it doesn't threaten the very fabric of democracy and national security!

And as long as nobody dies!
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 12:38 am
Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:38 am to
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Because it was cherry picked


You know that how?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:41 am to
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Follow up: Have you ever heard the phrase “Woods procedures”?

If you have, please paraphrase for us all. Thanks.
Well typically it involves a professional golfer, and then a female, usually along the lines of a hooter waitress or a pornstar. From there it can vary, but like dossier, peeing on another person may or may not have happened, but it was mentioned.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:42 am to
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Because it was cherry picked. But let’s suppose Woods procedures were followed and the Dutch had a wiretap or an undercover operative that corroborated some of the info from the dossier.



Why would that change the fact that the FBI did not disclose that the Dossier was paid for by the Clinton campaign?
Posted by Megasaurus
Member since Dec 2017
1628 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:45 am to
yes and yes. release it all, this needs to get resolved and whoever needs to go down should go down.
no mercy
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 12:47 am
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:46 am to
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You know that how?
Well he sent in Gowdy for his legal expertise, but since there must have been little to note there since it would have been included, then he's getting political information. And if you don't think combining second hand knowledge, unavoidable confirmation bias, and a dishonest politician would lead to cherry picked information, then the prog filth aren't the only ones who live in another reality.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:46 am to
How do you know that they didn’t disclose? Have you seen the application?

Democrats are saying it was disclosed.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:46 am to
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Does that acknowledge the possibility that there is real, actual, classified info in the warrant that should not be made public?


Yes. I don't honestly know what or if unnecessary harm could befall our country, so I pause. I suspect if the underlying documents were released they would be heavily redacted. --which is the purpose of having memo's in the first place.

It's a shame the IC can't just get together and release a factual memo fee of political bias.
Posted by kilo
No block, no rock
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:48 am to
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Because it was cherry picked. But let’s suppose Woods procedures were followed and the Dutch had a wiretap or an undercover operative that corroborated some of the info from the dossier.

Should that be revealed or should we just be left thinking it was not corroborated?
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Because it was cherry picked. But let’s suppose Woods procedures were followed and the Dutch had a wiretap or an undercover operative that corroborated some of the info from the dossier.

Should that be revealed or should we just be left thinking it was not corroborated?


The constitution or security.

Sounds like 2005 liberals.

Which is it?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:48 am to
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Why would that change the fact that the FBI did not disclose that the Dossier was paid for by the Clinton campaign?
Apparently they disclosed it was paid for by a political party, but don't typically name individuals. So if the judge couldn't put those two things together, then we probably have a bigger concern about the low IQ of at least one judges on the court.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:51 am to
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which is the purpose of having memo's in the first place.
Yes, but a memo can at least say "there was evidence presented to support this claim or no evidence presented to supply this claim." That seems too limited in detail anyways, but the memo didn't even include that. Maybe because the person writing it sent someone else in for legal expertise and they isn't really any legal issues addressed.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:56 am to
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They're saying this first memo is just the beginning. This memo is only 10% of what they will bring out.
Yeah. Because we hyped up a memo to "literally shaking levels," but despite overhyping it and not including very many details, please believe the hype of our sequels.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63034 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:56 am to
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How do you know that they didn’t disclose? Have you seen the application?




Is that what you are hanging your hat on? The memo released today clearly states that it wasn't disclosed. None of us have seen the application. So, let's speak in hypotheticals.

If it wasn't disclosed, what does that mean in your opinion? And, I'm not talking about the FISA warrant process. I'm talking about the implications of the FBI's willingness to abuse the system to meet a political end and the Democrats willingness to utilize the FBI to do dirty work?
Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 1:00 am to
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Well he sent in Gowdy for his legal expertise, but since there must have been little to note there since it would have been included, then he's getting political information. And if you don't think combining second hand knowledge, unavoidable confirmation bias, and a dishonest politician would lead to cherry picked information, then the prog filth aren't the only ones who live in another reality.


Well hold on for a sec and shut the run on down.

Wasn’t Nunez by law ordered to have someone verify the memo? I could be wrong for sure, but Gowdy would be the guy I would trust. shite, he is straight up leaving the swamp.

Where is your link on the rest of your nonsense?
Posted by beaverfever
Arkansas
Member since Jan 2008
36190 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 1:02 am to
More than I wanted to read the actual memo. I don’t even think they know what the hell theyre gonna put in there yet.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85651 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 1:05 am to
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The memo released today clearly states that it wasn't disclosed. None of us have seen the application. So, let's speak in hypotheticals.


Sure, but I just watched a Dem congressman on the Committee and with clearance state it was disclosed. It should be disclosed so the judge knows of any possible bias, but we’re both spitting into the wind stating it was/was not disclosed.

To your hypo that it wasn’t disclosed, THAT’s WHY WE REQUIRE WOODS PRCEDURES.

If you can show me Woods was not followed or was not sufficient then you’ve got something, but that again leads us back to the circular logic of release the god damned FISA app.

Now the real question is going to be what you patriots do when the GOP/Trump stonewall the Dem memo or hem and haw about classified info when we call for the FISA app itself. Can’t wait to see you guys rationalize and squirm.
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 1:06 am
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