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re: Do you have a Constitutional right to kick people off of your property?
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:36 pm to rooster108bm
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:36 pm to rooster108bm
quote:I disagree with that. What about state and federal wildlife preserves?
Those resources belong to the people not the government. Government does not exist without the people.
quote:I'm unclear what you're driving at.
Are you and your children not a tax resource. Does the government have the right to manage you any way that benefits itself?
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:37 pm to rooster108bm
quote:It is certainly your right to believe that government should be so-limited.
I would argue that the only right a government has(including states) is to protect the rights of its citizens.
The problem is about 1000 years of common law, to the effect that wild animals to NOT belong to the individual landowner but rather to everyone, with the government acting basically as a proxy for management of that resource.
In that capacity, the theory is that the government IS protecting the rights of ALL citizens when entering private property for purposes of managing wildlife for the good of ALL citizens.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:38 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:The union organizers don't have the right. They have a limited state law authorization. Under these circumstances, I think the state law is valid and proper.quote:Personally, I don't. I said as much in the first 5 posts on this thread.
Do you think union organizers should have the right to come on to your personal property against your will?
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:40 pm to rooster108bm
quote:Do you have a list of those rights?
I would argue that the only right a government has(including states) is to protect the rights of its citizens.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:40 pm to jchamil
quote:Which ones?
It's not expressly stated, it comes from Supreme Court interpretations
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:42 pm to Salviati
I was involved with the definitive (at the time) "Takings" case, Lucas v. South Carolina Coastal Council which also went before SCOTUS. This one will be very interesting.
This post was edited on 3/19/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:44 pm to Salviati
quote:
Which ones?
I don't remember off the top of my head. Would you like me to find a law review article or something? I'm not sure what you're getting at
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:45 pm to Salviati
quote:The state law being that which requires a private landowner to allow unwanted people onto his property?
I think the state law is valid and proper.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:47 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
hat capacity, the theory is that the government IS protecting the rights of ALL citizens when entering private property for purposes of managing wildlife for the good of ALL citizens.
And I understand that theory.
Just as they were protecting ALL citizens when they prohibited alcohol.
All I'm getting at is that California may consider those farm workers being unionized will benefit the state. If they can say wildlife is a resource they can damn sure say labor is.
If that labor makes more wages to the detriment of the farmer, well the state is protecting its resources.
That being said I agree with none of this bullshite. But enjoy your slippery slope.
This post was edited on 3/19/21 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:49 pm to Salviati
I remember a thread not two days ago, in which the majority of this forum was arguing that a landowner did NOT have a right to control access to his property.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:51 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
I remember a thread not two days ago, in which the majority of this forum was arguing that a landowner did NOT have a right to control access to his property.
Didn't see me in it.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:52 pm to rooster108bm
quote:Nah.
If they can say wildlife is a resource they can damn sure say labor is.
The ownership of one's labor is distinctly capitalist. While there are a lot of socialist and communist mutterings on the rise, it's not something that's going to happen in the US.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:53 pm to AggieHank86
quote:DID SHE HAVE CHINESE CAPTIONS THO?
I remember a thread not two days ago, in which the majority of this forum was arguing that a landowner did NOT have a right to control access to his property.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:54 pm to rooster108bm
quote:
Under their duties( in Alabama at least) they go where they want.
Yea it’s pretty ridiculous. They should only be allowed with a search warrant or exigent circumstances. Hearing a gun shot should not be a factor in either one.
I hunt by the law but after finding out GW have been all over my property (areas I don’t even intrude into so as to not disturb game) in an attempt to find out of any of my neighbors were committing violations pissed me off.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:54 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:
While there are a lot of socialist and communist mutterings on the rise, it's not something that's going to happen in the US.
What fricking rock have you been hiding under?
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:56 pm to rooster108bm
quote:Then I shall patiently sit and wait for a contemporary example of when a US citizen was not the owner of his or her own labor.
What fricking rock have you been hiding under?
Feel free to phone a friend.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 3:58 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:
Then I shall patiently sit and wait for a contemporary example of when a US citizen was not the owner of his or her own labor.
Said every person in every pre communist country ever.
Posted on 3/19/21 at 4:00 pm to rooster108bm
quote:Well you're talking about some boogeyman that doesn't exist. Even our leftists are distinctly capitalist. Have you seen AOC's sweatshirts? HRC's billings for speeches and whatnot? BHO's revenue from book sales?
Said every person in every pre communist country ever.
Come on.
EDIT: fricking Bernie, the Godfather of this horseshite has multiple vacation homes as a result of private proceeds.
Capitalists homie...they're capitalists inside.
This post was edited on 3/19/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 3/19/21 at 4:05 pm to rooster108bm
quote:
person that could contain or conceal a game animal.
So a guy in shorts (no pockets), t shirt and flip flops..can he search him?
Posted on 3/19/21 at 4:06 pm to Dawgfanman
quote:He might have a squirrel tucked up under them nuts.
So a guy in shorts (no pockets), t shirt and flip flops..can he search him?
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