re: Do you believe Trump?

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Trump was very successful with tax cuts and judicial appointments when congress helped.

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because ALL Republicans (generally) want to reduce taxes, and because absolutely any Republican in the Oval Office would’ve been appointing judges from exactly the same list prepared by the Federalist and the Heritage Society.

Where Trump got into trouble was when he went off “off-script“ from long-standing Republican ideology.

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Much of the wall was built

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We had 1200 miles of undefended border when he took office.
We had 1150 miles of undefended border when he left office.

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That's not because it grew, but because he lifted the floorboards and we saw the mold was everywhere.

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People who were paying attention pre-Trump, knew about this stuff. Just because Trump and his supporters were unaware doesn't mean we were all ignorant.

In fact, real "America First" people warned Trump about Pence, McConnell, Ryan etc... You guys all cheered him on hiring swamp people and working with them. Now you all pretend that only Trump could have exposed those guys. They were already exposed. You don't get credit for figuring something out about 10 years after everyone else.

FYI to the RonGuys. If Ron becomes president he can’t rule as king either.

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Oh wow guys really?! The United States are a republic? No way! I never knew that.

We also democratically elect representatives. It’s always easy to spot someone who thinks they’re smart because they took a civics class. Anytime democracy is mentioned in the same breath as the US they skyscream:

WELL ACKCHUALLY WE’RE A REPUBLIC

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Because there is a massive difference in a Republic and a Democracy.

If we were a Democracy, then the left would have already purged us due to mob rule!

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You shouldn't. Only six percent of the Arizona people approved of what was being proposed. Six percent.

John McCain represented the people of Arizona, not Trump's cult.

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Interesting I didn't know that.....I know McConnell who was initially opposed to the ACA became a supporter after he actually saw what it did for people in the poorer Appalachian eastern part of Kentucky....the type of people it was designed for.

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The only way out of this mess is to give them unlimited control and let them absolutely destroy everything to the point where 90% of Americans on the street will fist fight anyone who merely mentions the word Democrat. Only then will they understand.

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It will impossible to fight the Dems when they have total control. You'll be living in a gulag and nobody will have guns except the govt.

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there is a massive difference in a Republic and a (Direct) Democracy.

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FIFY

if you want to be entirely accurate, our form of government is “a representative democracy in the form of a constitutional republic.“

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When boiled down to the basics, the man has made his living as a salesman. Everything he says (or 90% of it) contains some element of exaggeration or hyperbole.

Some of the exaggeration is minor and unimportant, and some of it is overblown and ridiculous. When listening to him, you simply must take that into account.

personally, I do not like it. I think that it is misleading, and I think that he is bright enough to know that. As such, I cannot see much of his rhetoric is being anything other than “intentionally misleading.“

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So he IS a politician? Cuz you just defined a politician.

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aTmTexas Dillo

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Now THIS is a great conversation.

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I think we are going to a point where we clearly see the vulnerabilities of a Republic form of government. To work in the US there has to be a two party system, only.

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Every form of gov has those. A Republic is far more likely to withstand the test of time. But as Franklin stated, "a republic if YOU can keep it".

That is where we have failed. We allowed civics removed, American History removed and marxism in. THE PEOPLE got lazy and thought they didn't have to raise their kids and Uncle Sam would do the job.

To undo that, it will take decades. The question is, are people willing to stand and fight via a Republic or will they tire of the fight.

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To work in the US there has to be a two party system, only. But we are getting to the point where the Republican Party is becoming fractured

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We have had times when there has been more than 2 parties. With in the Dem party you have the leftist and the the DSA. Democrat Socialist of America. This is the Bernie wing. They have their own convention and have several members in congress, yet they are under the Democrat wing.

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All the while the democrats who are greater in number stay united in their coalition of misfits.

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You fail to see the change in the Democrat party over the years. That is due to in fighting. DSA vs Dem. It's why they shifted way left.

You fail to see what America First is doing to the GOP. Pulling them to the right. 15 years ago, none of the policies that DeSantis pushed in FL would have even happened.

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that you Trump guys could really give a shite less about the opinion of the other republicans.

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That's simply not true. Just because you and I have a different opinion on who should be president doesn't mean anything other than that.

Now, if you are implying that we should embrace the unfettered globalization of the USA and continue down the path of McCain, Romney, and the Bush families.... then yes. We are not on the same page.

We are done with that because we realize where it got us.

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And then when the dust settles after the primaries one faction of republicans will be asked to join the other faction. They may not want to. Unless republican's figure this out we are hosed.
And my core beliefs are likely not a lot different than your beliefs.

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Correct. The truth is that we are not.

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FYI, Ron knows that having served in congress and as a governor.

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With a GOP congress Ron will get good tax policy ensconced or passed and have good judges appointed. Don would do the same.

With a GOP congress Ron would get a lot of defense spending. So would Don.

With a GOP congress Ron would have his wars approved. Don won't ask for more wars.

With a GOP congress Ron would get trade deals written by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce representing multinational companies like Apple, Koch Industries, GE, GM, MO, GOOG, etc. passed. Don will not allow the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to write trade deals.


With a Democrat congress both Ron and Don will both be stymied.

There's your similarities and differences between the two.