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re: Do I have a trump card as a commenter of the Ray Rice situation?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:01 am to ApexTiger
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:01 am to ApexTiger
quote:WTF? I'm pretty sure the "drunk defense" doesn't apply in criminal cases, like ever (Maybe Slo has the exceptions).
1. was Ray Rice drinking that night? Was she? Drugs? I think it matters because we aren't the same people when are intoxicated.
quote:WTF? this is the opposite of actions have consequences.
3. Doesn't everyone deserve redemption?
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Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:03 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
There are things that people have trouble understanding without being a part of them. Suicide in the family. Child abuse especially sexual. racial issues when they are about how a person's life is affected.
Hitting a woman (or a man) doesn't fall into this I don't think
can we get a list?
i like to live in a world of order and rules
that's actually a meta point about this whole scenario. we need rules and limits to avoid the very mob mentality that this situation has shown that humans are capable of falling into. this incident should scare the shite out of every rational thinker in this country
and on a bigger issue, this is why our constitution was written with limits
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:03 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
I'm pretty sure the "drunk defense" doesn't apply in criminal cases,
there are many, many ex drunks in the slammer
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:08 am to NC_Tigah
This isn't new to him. It didn't even phase him. He drug her "almost" out of the elevator and stood over her like a hunter who just killed a deer. He was proud. This wasn't unfamiliar to him and he was freaking out.
He's a strong man. He should have cradle her and carried her out. I guarantee you he was lying as to what happened and acted like she was passed out drunk.
As bad as the spit and punch was, what he did after tells me all I need to know about that animal pos.
frick Goodell, the NFL, and the Ravens....they all knew this tape existed and were trying to cover this shite up!
He's a strong man. He should have cradle her and carried her out. I guarantee you he was lying as to what happened and acted like she was passed out drunk.
As bad as the spit and punch was, what he did after tells me all I need to know about that animal pos.
frick Goodell, the NFL, and the Ravens....they all knew this tape existed and were trying to cover this shite up!
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:sorry but that's not how the world works.
i like to live in a world of order and rules
quote:the mob mentality was a weakness here. It took the actual striking video for people to somehow understand how bad it was. It shouldn't have. Dragging the unconscious woman should've been enough.
we need rules and limits to avoid the very mob mentality
quote:and yet it is also a very flexible document with contradictions aplenty. There are an awful lot of unsettled constitutional questions, and plenty more that would be decided another way if just some luck were involved in who were on the USSC.
this is why our constitution was written with limits
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:14 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
sorry but that's not how the world works.
sure it is. that's a bedrock of western culture, which is only the vehicle that has advanced our species more than anything else
quote:
the mob mentality was a weakness here. It took the actual striking video for people to somehow understand how bad it was. It shouldn't have. Dragging the unconscious woman should've been enough.
what did you expect pre-video? what was so terrible? people were already mad at 2 games, which is why teh NFL came out with a draconian policy for the future (a LIFETIME ban on the 2nd offense? seriously?)
there was already enough emotional thinking/freaking out over this pre-video. are you saying there wasn't enough?
quote:
and yet it is also a very flexible document with contradictions aplenty. There are an awful lot of unsettled constitutional questions,
most of these are due to human/technological advances
the "flexibility" of the law/limits is only really flexible when a perceived crisis emerges and rationality goes out the window. those are the VERY reasons why we have an amendment process (that is basically ignored). in times of emotional thinking, there is a perceived need to act NOW, so restrained, rational debate is not available.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
This post was edited on 9/9/14 at 10:15 am
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I think the main thing the video showed was that it wasn't just bad luck with a soft hit, and it takes away the idea that she was the aggressor.
what did you expect pre-video? what was so terrible?
Heck, even with the video out some posters (although a lot less) are claiming self defense as they claim to see her attacking him.
Are you a lawyer? Are the laws a bit different for getting into PTI where you are? I am curious about the recidivism you see.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:27 am to mmcgrath
quote:
Are you a lawyer?
yes
quote:
Are the laws a bit different for getting into PTI where you are?
i posted about that
basically the same laws. and i saw you post an article with some lawyers trying to get quick/free publicity
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'll disagree on the law differences, but that could be a moot point in a few months if the celebrity status gets the state PTI program specifically updated to exclude domestic violence cases. But I will say that if you are in trouble in NJ but have a few political connections, get to a county prosecutor. Even though they aren't elected, they are appointed by the County Freeholders which are typically the most corrupt level of government in NJ as people usually don't pay much attention to them.
i posted about that
basically the same laws. and i saw you post an article with some lawyers trying to get quick/free publicity
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:57 am to mmcgrath
i try to stay out of NJ, even when visiting my yankee family
Posted on 9/9/14 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
well i am offended, because there are TONS of people who are commenting on the ray rice situation without being a member of a household that had domestic violence. as a person who unfortunately was, this is bullshite. *i* am the expert on this shite, not these people.
You've been discriminated against due to non-domestic violence victim privilege?
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:00 am to SpidermanTUba
more like these people with their non-DV privilege are trying to comment on a situation that they have no personal, direct reference of
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:02 am to cwill
"I would bet the story would have faded away, no national coverage of the trial and no riots."
I agree. It's fascinating how powerful the video is compared even to accurate reportage of the same events.
I agree. It's fascinating how powerful the video is compared even to accurate reportage of the same events.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
"can we get a list?
i like to live in a world of order and rules"
Well played.
i like to live in a world of order and rules"
Well played.
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:56 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:touche.
i try to stay out of NJ, even when visiting my yankee family
Posted on 9/9/14 at 11:59 am to mmcgrath
quote:can deny =/= do deny.
"defendant charged with crime is eligible for enrollment in a PTI program," but prosecutors can deny entry if
Excuse me for calling to question the statement of one sole defense attorney who may have his own agenda. The prosecutor's office said this was not only common, it was the way any first-time offender is treated.
quote:Someone's lying. Speculation about the prosecutor being a Rutgers Alum sounds suspiciously like a smear. Maybe it isn't, but it surely comes across that way.
"Mr. Rice received the same treatment by the criminal justice system in Atlantic County that any first-time offender has, in similar circumstances," Atlantic County Prosecutor's Office Jay McKeen said in an email to NJ Advance Media. "The decision was correct."
Posted on 9/9/14 at 1:06 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I know that. I was just refuting the "very common" statement... at least for NJ.
can deny =/= do deny.
I think the pressure against this guy James McClain (Jay McKeen is just a spokesperson... and an alum / paid teacher as Rutgers) will only build for two reasons:
1) He was a Christie appointee, and
2) He denied PTI to two other people, Guy Ackerman and Shaneen Allen, both on carrying a gun in NJ when the gun was properly registered in a different state... but they claimed ignorance of the law and cooperated fully with police.
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