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re: Do any former libertarians feel ideologically lost?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:20 am to Iosh
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:20 am to Iosh
Some conservatives' insistence that the found fathers wrote an infallible document for how you govern a country is crazy to me.
I support small government, but the hero worship of the constitution is crazy. There are so many unclear and ambiguous provisions in there that have lead us to where we are today.
Why can't we acknowledge that maybe the document just isn't great on some points.
I support small government, but the hero worship of the constitution is crazy. There are so many unclear and ambiguous provisions in there that have lead us to where we are today.
Why can't we acknowledge that maybe the document just isn't great on some points.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:23 am to el Gaucho
that's one of the issues i have with the current Libertarian party.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:24 am to CorporateTiger
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Some conservatives' insistence that the found fathers wrote an infallible document for how you govern a country is crazy to me.
Wouldn't setting forth a clear framework whereby such a document could be amended be an acknowledgement by those who crafted it that it wasn't "infallible"?
Given this, I'm not sure what you're even getting at with the rest of your post.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:25 am to hawkeye007
I've always liked the idea of libertarianism if only people I liked could live there
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:26 am to Machine
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maybe if you keep wishing left-libertarianism isn't real, it will happen!
What's your economic ideals?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:27 am to Collegedropout
Nope, but I was always a constitutionalist and never an an-cap.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:28 am to CorporateTiger
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Why can't we acknowledge that maybe the document just isn't great on some points.
We do and we have on 27 different occasions.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:29 am to kingbob
I think the confusions for today's right libertarians comes from their newly discovered understanding of government as a tool for violence, much like a gun. You can use violence for defensive purposes.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:31 am to CorporateTiger
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Why can't we acknowledge that maybe the document just isn't great on some points.
Isn't that why we've had amendments?
Which points do you dislike?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:33 am to CorporateTiger
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Because I think libertarians that have abandoned their principles on immigration
Where are you getting this? You must not read many libertarian editorials
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:a well regulated free market ;)
What's your economic ideals?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:34 am to Machine
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maybe if you keep wishing left-libertarianism isn't real, it will happen!
It isn't real. Leftists see govt as the fiat power necessary to make life fair. Libertarians don't give a shite if life is fair therefore govt should be minimal or non existent.
The people I've known IRL who call themselves 'left libertarian' fall into these categories.
1. I'm a liberal democrat but I'm for gay marriage so I'm a libertarian.
2. I'm a liberal democrat but I smoke dope so I'm a libertarian.
3. I'm a liberal democrat but people hate liberal democrats so I call myself libertarian (Bill Maher is in this group).
Libertarians have one fatal flaw that can never be solved. If they agree on 49 out of 50 issues they go nuts on the one you disagree with and say "Well, you're not a reeeallll libertarian."
This one issue differs with each individual. For me it's the DH. If you call yourself a libertarian but you approve of the DH in the American League then in my opinion you're not a reeeallll libertarian. You are infringing on the pitcher's right to bat for his own damn self.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:35 am to Machine
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a well regulated free market ;)
That's like Mandatory Volunteerism.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:37 am to Zach
quote:plenty of literature out there that explains it. its there for those who want to not be ignorant.
It isn't real.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:38 am to Zach
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For me it's the DH. If you call yourself a libertarian but you approve of the DH in the American League then in my opinion you're not a reeeallll libertarian. You are infringing on the pitcher's right to bat for his own damn self.
I need to change my tagline..
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:38 am to Zach
quote:not really. capitalism is great, but if you want to prevent an oligarchy from forming, you have to sprinkle in aspects of socialism.
That's like Mandatory Volunteerism.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:39 am to joshnorris14
I think the issue for them is realizing that maybe some regulation is necessary, the rule of law is needed to maintain private property rights and prevent a mafia state like post Communism Russia. Some Libertarians went so far down the rabbit hole that they cannot contemplate where the line should be between what government should and should not do.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:39 am to Collegedropout
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Do any former libertarians feel ideologically lost?
Not me.
I used to be a libertarian then I did some deep thinking for a very long time and then I just concluded that libertarianism just doesn't work in today's world and is actually pretty counterproductive and now I actually consider myself more of a conservatarian that's not very religious, supports freedom like gay marriage and polygamy, opposes the war on drugs and still a desire for strict law and order on the border and problematic demographics that could threaten small government policies, and want to eliminate welfare as much as I can.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:40 am to Machine
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plenty of literature out there that explains it.
Yes, it's written by those in the 3 categories I mentioned. It's called fiction.
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