re: DNI Gabbard Releases US-Funded Biolab Evidence, including Ukraine

It's weird, I am kind of with the tinfoil crowd on most things Ukraine. The country was a giant CIA base for at least decade and you had all of these shitebags like Lindsey, McCain, and Biden going there constantly. Maybe it was just a standard corruption trough IDK.

I don’t think that follows from the ODNI release. It says American-funded foreign biolabs existed, including in Ukraine, and that one Ukraine lab likely housed dangerous pathogens. It also says some US-funded foreign labs engaged in dangerous GOF research, but I don’t see where it says the Ukraine labs did GOF, much less that they released COVID.

Also, GOF is paused, restricted, reviewed, and recently banned from federal funding in some contexts, but that’s not the same as “all GOF was illegal”.

So maybe the release supports “labs existed” and “oversight concerns exist”. I don’t see it confirming the stronger claim.

Maybe in some cases. But a lot of the original Ukraine funding connected to post-Soviet threat reduction efforts - securing pathogens, improving biosurveillance, and reducing the risk that dangerous biological materials or expertise would proliferate after the USSR collapsed (analogous to threat of unsecured nukes).

It seems like we'd have to distinguish between funding research overseas, and funding research overseas because it couldn't legally be done in the US Those are related possibilities, but they're not automatically the same claim.

that's only the case if you think all narratives are connected to evidence (they're not).

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I'm not sure "keep defending the criminals" follows from asking people to separate claims

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It's simple. Either the research was typical or nefarious/illegal. There's already tons of evidence supporting the latter. SFP's bluster has yet to provide ANY evidence of ANYTHING other than the usual SFP toilet clogging. And now we have official government confirmation of US funding involved. That changes the picture entirely. Well, for sane people at least.

I am pretty sure we paid for gof bullshite to circumvent legislation.

Much like paying out foreign friends to surveillance of YS citizens.

5 lenses type shite

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I don’t see where it says the Ukraine labs did GOF, much less that they released COVID

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This makes no sense. You people are basically saying US funded biolabs are no big deal. If that's the case, then Tulsi's announcement was a complete waste of time about nothing. The fact she made the announcement on her way out does not suggest "Well, there's some nasty bugs in them but, it's business as usual. We're helping those halfwits keep the dangerous stuff secured."

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Also, GOF is paused, restricted, reviewed, and recently banned from federal funding in some contexts, but that’s not the same as “all GOF was illegal

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Do you know of any domestic GOF research that congress has approved. I'm pretty sure the number is zero

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I don’t see it confirming the stronger claim

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Her announcement would be pointless if that's the case and given there's pretty much no approved GOF research

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they're not

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I've been asking for proof. It hasn't happened so I don't know why people are so confident

The Uke was in part a giant money laundering global pig trough run through State and the IC.
Like on a smaller scale all those unneeded cash washes you see popping up everywhere.