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re: DJT, “HANG TOUGH, it won’t be easy…”.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:16 am to bamabonners
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:16 am to bamabonners
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He should have tried to use incentives to bring business back, but he chose the punitive route.
No, he did what absolutely had to be done. It should have been a priority for every president since LBJ did what he could to ruin the country. We are 37 trillion in debt. We got there because of tariff and trade imbalances and congress's spending problem and inability to make an actual budget.
We will get it turned around and those that wept and sobbed about the tariffs will be able to enjoy it too.
Cowboy up.
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Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:22 am to Hangit
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No, he did what absolutely had to be done. It should have been a priority for every president since LBJ did what he could to ruin the country. We are 37 trillion in debt. We got there because of tariff and trade imbalances and congress's spending problem and inability to make an actual budget. We will get it turned around and those that wept and sobbed about the tariffs will be able to enjoy it too.
You forgot trumps first term tax bill that has added trillions to the debt total. Plus, he was the one who started handing out checks in 2020 for COVID. And have you seen the debt load of his private businesses? He managed to put casinos in debt.
But let’s trust him to be the guy to reduce the biggest debt load in history….
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:27 am to antibarner
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Ross Perot right so long ago.The giant sucking sound we should have all heard was our middle class being hurt. Badly.
After 30 years you would think they would have seen the light, improved themselves and joined the modern economy.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:29 am to TexasTiger89
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This post was edited on 4/7/25 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:39 am to antibarner
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The man ran on what hes doing.
He promised MAGA, run of transparency, to clean up Dodge and the mess the designated Muppets created, provide justice, get the bad guys, eliminate Invaders, stay our of wars, and stabilizing America.
So far he has NOT "stabilized" America. There are no arrests regarding the Eppy Files. NO coup bad guys have been indicted. The JFK files are still redacted. We still don't know what the Drones are about. Trump has made overtones to annex Greenland, Canada AND Gaza(!). Trump has us at war in the ME. He blew up our national budget by promising to finance Operation Stargate" an AI Data Center to the tune of $500 billion (in the name of "transparency", WHY??) Now even further blew up the budget by announcing a "Golden Dome" defense shield.
And on the heels of an American economy that's already stumbling, he enacts trade war over tariffs NOW? It's already crippling the markets and destabilized economies.
The guy is trending badly. His EOs are out of hand. (by the way, loud proclamations that "there are only two genders" was low-lying fruit.
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If you don't like it, vote in the Communists next time and you REALLY won't like what they do. Or, maybe you will Comrade.
This response is predictable and patently ridiculous. Everything is not Black & White, Tump vs Kamala, nor This vs That. It's about Right vs. Wrong, Good vs. Evil.
Trump ran against two NWO Muppets whose scripted job it was to create such a mess of America that we would beg him to "save us." I'm not seeing it thus far. If that makes me a "Commie" then so be it.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:54 am to Hangit
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We got there because of tariff and trade imbalances and congress's spending problem and inability to make an actual budget.
Yes, that too. But might this ongoing ineptness, corruption, and negligence by design as well??
We really don't get to this point if the Uniparty doesn't sabotage the USA by granting Chyna "Most Favored Nation" trade status in 1992 in the first place; Our so-called legislators and "experts" knew damn well US manufacturing was never going to compete with Chyna's slave workforce.
Then there was GHB's "son" Bubba C exporting America high tech to Chyna with impunity. And now who holds the tech advantage?
Was Chyna designated by the NWO Elites to help take down the US? If it all sounds as if...by some kind of NWO design,conspiracy, then maybe it was.
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We will get it turned around and those that wept and sobbed about the tariffs will be able to enjoy it too
Not sobbing. Some of us saw this betrayal coming from a mile away.
The die is cast my friend. The Globalists have planned to cripple and dilute the US and Western Europe economies and demographics for decades. This tariff war is not being implemented to help the situation; it's designed to help further facilitate the "equality" of One World nations, aka "The WEF's Great Reset".
Posted on 4/6/25 at 10:56 am to GumboPot
Nah, we want the country to fail miserably and continue to be the world's piggy bank, especially since we don't pay the majority of taxes.
Sincerely,
Progressive Voters
Sincerely,
Progressive Voters
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:01 am to Bunk Moreland
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Well, one concern I have is the goal posts keep moving on whatever the plan is here. One day, it's to bring back manufacturing, the next is to get other countries to reduce their tariffs. I think there have been a few others.
These are two of the main objectives. Goal posts haven’t moved.
1. Reduce tariffs on American products and open up foreign markets to American commerce.
2. Onshore manufacturing, but more likely, manufacturing will move to more pro-American countries.
3. In line with 2, diversify supply chains.
4. Where the elasticity exists, collect revenue from tariffs that stay in place.
These are all winning scenarios.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:03 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Your crackheads and methheads arent doing factory work.
Ya;ll live in a fairy tale world.
Ain't that the troof.
A spoiled nation of pampered, flabby vaping Soys, pierced Bluehairs, and ex-barristers won't be trainable nor motivated to work in newly built, very expensive robot-run factories (which were NEVER going to be built in the first place.)
We can't go back in time to withdraw Chyna's "Most Favored Nation" status in 1992, moving manufacturing TO Chyna, or stop Bubba from handing over R&D and tech to Chyna at the same time.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:04 am to antibarner
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Over the years this country proved Ross Perot right so long ago.The giant sucking sound we should have all heard was our middle class being hurt. Badly. So much manufacturing leaving the US, How many of us can remember plants that no longer exist here? Good paying jobs that no longer exist.
Truth.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:05 am to EphesianArmor
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A spoiled nation of pampered, flabby vaping Soys, pierced Bluehairs, and ex-barristers won't be trainable nor motivated to work in newly built, very expensive robot-run factories (which were NEVER going to be built in the first place.)
Right, and this isnt just opinion, or what I want, its just our reality.
Our brains oare so overstimulated that I think assembly line work is impossible for many.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:06 am to EphesianArmor
Hell, they can't even find people to work at fast food places.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:11 am to L1C4
Have you also noticed in many cases (NEVER seen in the past) that wrinkled, hobbling Boomers are now manning fast food joints, registers at supermarkets and Walgreens-type of retail stores? It's sad.
Where are the younger workers? Do they exist?
Where are the younger workers? Do they exist?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:11 am to fjlee90
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Reduce tariffs on American products and open up foreign markets to American commerce.
Are markets not currently open to American goods and services? We're the 2nd largest exporter in the world. At around 2 trillion dollars of exports.
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Onshore manufacturing, but more likely, manufacturing will move to more pro-American countries.
Like mexico? Taiwan? South Korea? Europe? Canada? Japan? You don't get much more pro American external to America than these.
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3. In line with 2, diversify supply chains.
To where? If not the ones above?
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Where the elasticity exists, collect revenue from tariffs that stay in place.
Minimal revenue will be gathered if the supply chain exists. As it stands right now with his plan the revenue should address approximately 10% of our yearly deficit(~200 billion), if there's not an economic contraction, tarrifs stay as is. Both of which aren't expected at this point.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:11 am to GumboPot
He won’t have to “hang tough”
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:19 am to fjlee90
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These are two of the main objectives. Goal posts haven’t moved.
1. Reduce tariffs on American products and open up foreign markets to American commerce.
2. Onshore manufacturing, but more likely, manufacturing will move to more pro-American countries.
3. In line with 2, diversify supply chains.
4. Where the elasticity exists, collect revenue from tariffs that stay in place.
These are all winning scenarios.
"Winning scenarios" are also wishful thinking.
Turning back the clock on US domestic manufacturing bases of operation is next to impossible. Too expensive. Not feasible. It is what it is now. We might be able to negotiate better tariff balance but the US now basically manufactures nothing but drugs, oil products, cars, war weaponry and processed foods.
The Globalists and Bankers planned America's demise decades ago at the UN.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:21 am to oklahogjr
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Are markets not currently open to American goods and services? We're the 2nd largest exporter in the world. At around 2 trillion dollars of exports.
Sounds like there’s an opportunity to be first. Don’t knock continuous improvement.
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Like mexico? Taiwan? South Korea? Europe? Canada? Japan? You don't get much more pro American external to America than these.
Precisely. Away from China and into countries like this. And you’re already seeing Taiwan negotiating. That reduces the COGS for American companies. Another win.
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Minimal revenue will be gathered if the supply chain exists. As it stands right now with his plan the revenue should address approximately 10% of our yearly deficit(~200 billion), if there's not an economic contraction, tarrifs stay as is. Both of which aren't expected at this point.
And nobody expected the likes of Vietnam, Taiwan, Israel, etc. to cave. Nor did the expect the largest business leaders in France to tell Macron to pound sand. But they did. And they will continue to do so. Get on board while you still can.
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:30 am to fjlee90
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Sounds like there’s an opportunity to be first. Don’t knock continuous improvement.
I like continual improvement but this is a tear it down rebuild approach not an adjust and improve on what is working approach.
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Precisely. Away from China and into countries like this. And you’re already seeing Taiwan negotiating. That reduces the COGS for American companies. Another win.
We're already there....China is the world's largest exporter but they sit number 2 on our list pretty equal to Canada for us. Mexico sends more stuff to us. Japan, Germany also way up there... Why attack and punish these countries?
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And nobody expected the likes of Vietnam, Taiwan, Israel, etc. to cave. Nor did the expect the largest business leaders in France to tell Macron to pound sand. But they did. And they will continue to do so. Get on board while you still can.
I expected many countries and companies to try and avoid damage to their economies and companies...of course they'd want to negotiate more trade deals and reduce this....who thought they wouldn't want that?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 11:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It hasnt been an issue lately with refugees qualified to work. They do the work you will not do.
I’m not sure our modern factories are filled with refugees. And if I’m being honest, the work I have had done by immigrants has been dogshit every time I don’t do it myself. I can only do so many jobs and handle so much work. But my view is that flooding the labor market with less qualified people that essentially bypass labor laws and traditional (and often contractual) business practices has been a net negative on American production and has not done much in the way of controlling costs for end users.
Does the American consumer demand cheap low quality, or is the only option available?
Honestly I don’t know where you are coming from. How can someone invest themselves so heavily into political matters with such a hopeless and defeated mindset? How can you concern yourself with tariffs and global trade if you don’t even think we have people capable of doing jobs to create products we actually demand?
Posted on 4/6/25 at 12:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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After 30 years you would think they would have seen the light, improved themselves and joined the modern economy.
They cut grass and flop burgers. Your modern economy.
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