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re: Did our grandparents think the Germans and Japanese deserved forgiveness?

Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:38 am to
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/22/25 at 12:38 am to
My Dad was in the US Navy and fought in the Pacific during WWII. He was bombed numerous times by the Japanese.
He was vacationing in Venice in the 1980s and was having drinks on the terrace of an upscale hotel where he was staying on the Grand Canal. There was a group of Japanese tourists at the table behind him having dinner. It was windy out there and the wind blew the Japaneses' tablecloth off the table with half the food with it. My dad started cracking up and said that was good for them.
But he was joking and I guess we can forgive them now.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
12984 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 2:22 am to
I have watched many WWI And WWII movies. I watched german and Japanese and almost every countries version. I would read the close captions and I genuinely felt sad for the soldiers dying. All were men fighting for their countries. most were young and had a family back home.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
8933 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 3:47 am to
My Father in law was hit by a crashing Kamakzi, shot down by the Destroyer he was on. He hated the Japanese until the day he died.

My GrandFather was a Marine Corps Officer that kept the runways open on Guadal Canal and Iwo Jima. He did not hate the Japanese.

I guess it all had to do with the person. I graduated High School in Tokyo. My Father being in the Air Force. Living six years in Tokyo gave me a great respect for the culture and history of Japan, never met an angry Nippon person. I go to Wal Mart here and see mad all the time.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
52801 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:07 am to
quote:

Did our grandparents think the Germans and Japanese deserved forgiveness?


After they were mentored, in the case of the Japanese by multiple fission bombs and innumerable fire bombings that killed more than both nuclear weapons.

My grandfathers and most all of my friends grandfathers hated the "Japs" with a white hot passion until the day they died.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6693 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:34 am to
First of all, forgiveness is not about who deserves it. No one does. But as to your specific question, my grandparents never talked about that with me. It just didn't come up. I'll just speak for myself. When the Word of God says to love our enemies, I think it's pretty clear what our grandparents, and ourselves, should believe about forgiving the people you mentioned. That doesn't mean we sit back and accept what they did and not seek justice, and do what is necessary to protect our freedom from our enemies, in any situation where we are attacked, or under the threat of attack.

But when all is said and done, we have to forgive what has been done. Forgiveness is not condoning the acts. I think sometimes people (not necessarily yourself) confuse forgiveness with acceptance of one's sins. But that isn't the case. Earthly justice is still in order, but praying for the souls of our enemies and letting go of hatred is necessary for the well-being of our own souls.
This post was edited on 9/22/25 at 4:42 am
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 9/22/25 at 4:36 am to
I had many conversations with a Marine vet from WWII until his death about 10 years ago. He hated the Japanese soldiers during his island hopping to Japan near the end of the war. He knew that they murdered POWs. When he came upon a Jap who had already been shot dead he went ahead and shot the corpse because it made him feel good.
However, he was assigned to Japan during their reconstruction and he liked the citizens. They were not resentful of losing the war. They were happy to have freedom to do as they pleased. They were under strict government control during the war and they hated it. The US occupation gave them much more freedom.
Posted by DarthGadget
Member since Jun 2021
159 posts
Posted on 9/22/25 at 7:42 am to
My Pop was in the Philippines, Okinawa, and among First Boots in Japan. He would never talk about it with me, but he did tell my niece that Okinawa was brutal and beyond understanding when interviewed for her high school report project. In his last few months of Dementia, he was obviously haunted about something on Okinawa as a 17 year old, but would clam up. I heard from an uncle it may have involved some of the items mentioned in posts above.

He did business with many Japanese from the 1950s to retirement; he never spoke ill of them.

As an aside: Army (Recruiters?) came to my 6th grade assembly and handed out various stickers. I thought the Air Cav sticker was cool so I got a few. My mom told me years later my Dad did not sleep a wink for a few days after.

I realized in my teens that it was likely the only reason I was even here was because of The Manhattan Project.
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