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re: Did Bill Maher have to apologize THAT much?
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:52 pm to Machine
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:52 pm to Machine
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the people who "box [them] in" are the people who vote for politicians that slice welfare spending and cut taxes to millionaires.
LOL welfare spending. But I'm the racist?
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Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:53 pm to DupontsCircle
quote:did you assume because i mentioned welfare spending that all blacks were on welfare?
LOL welfare spending. But I'm the racist?
yeah, you are the racist
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:55 pm to Machine
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but that's a layer directly related to institutional racism
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when we start addressing said institutional racism
give me direct example of "institutional racism" that have nothing to do with the individual choices made by the POC you're discussing
i mean i rally against policies that have a very negative effect on POC, but even these policies can easily be avoided. perfect example is the WOD. very discriminatory but not "institutional racism" b/c the effects of the police state are easily avoided (just avoid the game, basically)
Posted on 6/12/17 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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give me direct example of "institutional racism" that have nothing to do with the individual choices made by the POC you're discussing
https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-cops-race-injury-20160725-snap-story.html
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:05 pm to Machine
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let me just stop you right there and point out that slavery throughout history has nothing do with slavery in the united states and its impact on citizens of both races today
Then you do not know your history, or have been taught an alternative, selective version of history.
Talking from an historical, not emotional point-of-view slavery in the New World began when the European powers came over and started establishing settlements. LINK Then the practice of the slavery of the African became a part of the Golden Triangle trade route. This consisted of the New England to Caribbean to Africa.
Eventually the practice of human bondage in the civilized world became prohibited. One of the last countries to ban slavery was Great Britain in the early 1800's. The United States therefore was the last remaining civilized nation to hold on to the practice of slavery. However, the eradication of slavery was slowly becoming a movement in the early 1800s.
So slavery was a world-wide event that came before the founding of the United States, yet our ancestors grappled with this problem until our Civil War in 1861.
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:07 pm to Machine
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did you assume because i mentioned welfare spending that all blacks were on welfare?
Then why would cutting welfare be a racial policy to you, at all?
Ditto for "millionaires" (
) - if tax cuts are colorblind, then why does that become a racial issue, too? I mean, I get that being told, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" would get old as hell/. However, black folks who follow a certain recipe aren't poor. It's the same recipe that non-poor white folks follow:
1. Get a HS education.
2. Work at some (any) kind of job.
3. Don't have children unless married (if you get married, stay married).
4. Refrain from engaging in criminal activity
Boom. Do those 4 things and less than 10% chance of being below the poverty line. Crackas can't do shite about it.
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:09 pm to LSU2NO
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Then you do not know your history, or have been taught an alternative, selective version of history...
So slavery was a world-wide event that came before the founding of the United States, yet our ancestors grappled with this problem until our Civil War in 1861.
again...slavery existing around leading up to and at the time of the country inception has nothing to do with slavery in the united states and how african-americans still feel the effects of it
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:13 pm to Machine
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again...slavery existing around leading up to and at the time of the country inception has nothing to do with slavery in the united states and how african-americans still feel the effects of it
Only if they let it. What is the real reason? I'm being serious.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:14 pm to Ghazi
Don Imus said nappy headed hoes and got fired for it. Bill Maher dropped the N bomb and still has a job. I really thought he was going to come out and be like frick being PC. He's all the time criticizing comedians for apologizing after making a joke and he does the same thing. SAD! He has lost his integrity and as someone who doesn't agree with his politics all the time, I really like(d) his show. And that Ice Cube bit was cringey. He really should've just done the little first interview with that guy and been done with it. Then he brings out Ice Cube to give himself a full lecture on the N-word and how horrible it is for a white person to say. It was dreadful.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:15 pm to Machine
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slavery existing around leading up to and at the time of the country inception has nothing to do with slavery in the united states
Of course it does. Saying it doesn't is not the same thing as advancing an argument it doesn't.
The entire southern economy was based on slavery. Many of the Founding Fathers were Virginian planters, slaveowners who themselves hated the institution (Washington and Jefferson, notably).
So, while you try to craft an argument that black slavery is unique to the U.S. and has unique effects, you are not supporting this argument. The scope of black slavery is fairly unique to the United States, at least for that time. However, it pales when you compare it to how the natives were treated by the Spanish in Central and South America. Plus, many of those colonies ended up importing African slaves as well, particularly the (regardless of host) islands and Portuguese Brazil.
This is the danger of pretending shite didn't happen. Then we don't understand the second and third order effects or how to reverse them, if they're in fact undesirable effects.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:22 pm to LSU2NO
quote:only if they let it affect them?
Only if they let it. What is the real reason? I'm being serious.
institutional racism? how would it not affect them? even after their ancestors were freed, they went through reconstruction to the civil rights movement as second class citizens.
so lets look at me, on the other hand. Every one of my ancestors has been in America, by their own free will, since before the American Revolution. I'm a 12th generation Scotch-Irish American. And over those generations, my ancestors had ample opportunity to improve their lives, and by default their descendants. Because of that, i live a pretty comfortable lifestyle. Not loaded, but set.
now lets look at the descendant of a slave who's been here the same time. 12 generations. the first seven or eight were enslaved. the next three or four lived in fear of their lives because lynchings were a regular thing in the south. they didn't have access to a quality education, and were raised to believe they were lower than whites.
do you think the black guy has just as good of a chance as me to do well in life?
to answer your question of what the real reason is...its the fact that the deck is stacked against blacks in this country.
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:47 pm to Machine
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Only if they let it. What is the real reason? I'm being serious.
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only if they let it affect them?
institutional racism? how would it not affect them? even after their ancestors were freed, they went through reconstruction to the civil rights movement as second class citizens.
so lets look at me, on the other hand. Every one of my ancestors has been in America, by their own free will, since before the American Revolution. I'm a 12th generation Scotch-Irish American. And over those generations, my ancestors had ample opportunity to improve their lives, and by default their descendants. Because of that, i live a pretty comfortable lifestyle. Not loaded, but set.
now lets look at the descendant of a slave who's been here the same time. 12 generations. the first seven or eight were enslaved. the next three or four lived in fear of their lives because lynchings were a regular thing in the south. they didn't have access to a quality education, and were raised to believe they were lower than whites.
do you think the black guy has just as good of a chance as me to do well in life?
to answer your question of what the real reason is...its the fact that the deck is stacked against blacks in this country.
quote:Where am I talking about institutional racism? Granted, the first 7,8 generations of blacks where enslaved. Then after the Civil War, they, for the most part, were looked upon as second-class citizens. But the last 50 years? Come on! How long are they going to feel disenfranchised? They have got every opportunity in this last fifty years to do something. Many have done something, very good and great things. But the one common denominator is that they did not let obstacles stand in their way. It can be said of any successful person. They are not negative. Sorry, your argument does not hold water. It is too general.
institutional racism?
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:50 pm to LSU2NO
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But the last 50 years? Come on! How long are they going to feel disenfranchised? They have got every opportunity in this last fifty years to do something. Many have done something, very good and great things. But the one common denominator is that they did not let obstacles stand in their way. It can be said of any successful person. They are not negative. Sorry, your argument does not hold water. It is too general.
lets go run a mile race
but i get to a head start to the last 100m leg
and place bets on who wins
Posted on 6/12/17 at 2:20 pm to Ghazi
No, he didn't, and by apologizing he turned off a massive section of his fanbase.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 3:07 pm to Machine
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lets go run a mile race
but i get to a head start to the last 100m leg
and place bets on who wins
1) That is a terrible analogy
2) Life is not about 'winning', it is about making the most of what you have, to persevere.
3) Instead of expending energy (negative, I might add) on what one does not have, focus positively on aspiring to reach for self-improvement. That can be said of anyone.
Good luck to you.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 3:55 pm to Ghazi
It's pathetic. The blacks can slaughter each other, treat women like garbage, and call each other n.....a all day long and not one negative thing is said about their behavior. Now let a white man say the N word and hell breaks loose. It's so sad it's comical actually.
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