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re: Dershowitz says it was a clear attempt at a coup
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:22 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:22 am to AggieHank86
Drops some facts, what did Drumpf do to get them discussing this action?
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:22 am to Godfather1
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Somehow, I doubt that. You’d be looking for ways to justify “incapacity”.
Yeah... he'd be "Technically, he's incapacitate because of blah blah blah. I'm a moderate, so it doesn't come easy for me to say that, but he's technically incapacitated and they have to remove him."
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:24 am to AggieHank86
quote:First off, we don't know what is fact and what is fiction here. It's nearing certainty that McCabe is lying garbage. Hopefully he'll receive the same quarter he gave Flynn.
Sorry, but mere contemplation of a potential misuse of the 25th Amendment is not a crime. If you feel otherwise, please point to the specific statute.
Second, there was literally not an ounce of evidence supporting evocation of the 25th Amendment. Nothing. Zip. So any attempt was going to necessarily involve manipulation and conspiracy.
My strong suspicion is McCabe, Baker, Strzok, Page, perhaps Brennan, Comey and likely others plotted to orchestrate a coup d'etat vis-a-vis the 25thA. My suspicion is they tried to set up RR, putting him in a position where he'd have to try to, in turn, set POTUS up --- to wear a wire.
I hope the lot of them get charged with conspiracy.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:30 am to bstew3006
quote:NO. He admittedly to exploring the POSSIBILITY of removing a president under the terms of the 25th Amendment (an ENTIRELY legal proposition) AND to deciding NOT to pursue that course of action. NO, that is NOT a crime.
He admitted to actively trying to unlawfully remove him from office. But that's not a crime?
They did not "fail." They never ATTEMPTED to use the 25th ... either properly or improperly.
McCabe considered making an attempt to jump the Grand Canyon on his mountain bike. He discussed the possibility with several like-minded people, examined the facts on the ground, and decided NOT to make the attempt. You cannot "fail" at something that you did not attempt.
I am at a COMPLETE loss to understand how you think that ANY of this equates to support for HRC. You are making a ridiculous jump in logic.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:32 am to AggieHank86
One more time, what actions by Drumpf triggered these "meetings" of Patriots?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:35 am to AggieHank86
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One cannot commit "treason" against an individual
Correct, I used the wrong word
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AGAIN, if they actually attempted to improperly-invoke the 25th, they would (and should) be in trouble. If they simply analyzed the possibility, it would be a non-event.
He simple didn't analyze.
He actively pursued it in hopes to invoke the 25th. He admitted this and he failed in his pursuit. He said he attempted to "UNLAWFULLY" remove him and recruited members to do so...Can you tell me on What grounds he was pursuing this???. That is not just analyzing.
It was an Unconstitutional power grab of a coup
When that failed, he wanted to secretly record private conversations of the President in order to Trap him in SOMETHING, not sure what but get him on something.
When that failed
He pushed as hard as he could to ensure the SC investigation.
This was not, we think he is CRAZY and looking at steps if we have to invoke the 25th.
how you see this as "no there there" and not actively pursuing an unlawful coup, is laughable.
I hope Barr stays true to his word, investigates and prosecutes all of them.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:37 am to Jbird
quote:I've no idea. I am not addressing the MERITS of McCabe's proposed actions. I am simply addressing the ridiculous notion that exploring the possible application of the 25th automatically constitutes "treason."
Drops some facts, what did Drumpf do to get them discussing this action?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:42 am to AggieHank86
quote:Well by all means carry on with the fact less theory.
I've no idea. I am not addressing the MERITS of McCabe's proposed actions. I am simply addressing the ridiculous notion that exploring the possible application of the 25th automatically constitutes "treason."
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:58 am to AggieHank86
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I've no idea. I am not addressing the MERITS of McCabe's proposed actions.
Hitler was great if you didn’t evaluate him on the merit of his action. quote:Whether the notion of proper use of the 25th was contemplated, or itheybwere looking for a way to (pardon this) Trump up accusations makes a HUGE difference. Remember when Comey said “intent” was the standard?
I am simply addressing the ridiculous notion that exploring the possible application of the 25th automatically constitutes "treason."
Trump for all of his unconventional (for DC) behavior, he has never appears to be “walking around the rose garden flapping wings” as you mentioned earlier. Nonobe has ever provided any worthy assessment that he is dimenttd or not in control of his faculties.
“We don’t like him” is not an incapacitation. It. Certainly is t a psychosis.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:07 pm to AggieHank86
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AGAIN, if this "plan" was actually undertaken ... and for political reasons rather than incapacity ... it would be a problem. I would be complaining as loudly as anyone. If it was simply "This guy is fricking nuts and may be literally insane. What is the scope of the 25th, what are the procedures, and what would be the chances of removing him?" ... conducting that analysis is NOT a crime.
AGAIN...I think you are missing the point. This wasn't McCabe, Comey, Rosenstein, etc chatting hypotheticals around the water cooler.
According to McCabe, there were actual discussions (discussions, plural) to get Trump's Vice President and his cabinet together to implement the 25th amendment. This included the possibility of Rosenstein wearing a wire. All of this supposedly happened within months of Trump being elected. What’s stunning is that none of those piss ants ever raised their hand and said, “guys, I hate Trump too, but this is friggin insane.” Not one of them… They weren’t FBI agents. They were political activists.
If such a conversation happened in a vacuum, I could possibly agree with you and suggest that such behavior should result in termination, demotions, etc.
But, that's not what happened here at all. This didn't happen in a vacuum. This was just another possible "insurance” policy discussion.
While it may not meet the legal definition of treason, it damn sure is sedition.
And it is a stunning admission of something so unbelievable that I simply cannot fathom why you libs are not up in arms about this as “we” are. Well, we all know why. You’re too partisan to be intellectually honest, which is simply pathetic.
You cannot justify or minimize this. You talk about a polarized country, well, this is why. This single issue is why I have moved from "libs are just stupid people with whom I disagree" to outright hatred.
This is way, way, way bigger than the wall, my tax cut, and all of the other political philosophies worth debating. This was an attack on our liberty, and the very essence of this country. And for you to so flippantly dismiss and trivialize it is friggin astonishing.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:21 pm to Ten Bears
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AGAIN...I think you are missing the point. This wasn't McCabe, Comey, Rosenstein, etc chatting hypotheticals around the water cooler. According to McCabe, there were actual discussions (discussions, plural) to get Trump's Vice President and his cabinet together to implement the 25th amendment. This included the possibility of Rosenstein wearing a wire. All of this supposedly happened within months of Trump being elected. What’s stunning is that none of those piss ants ever raised their hand and said, “guys, I hate Trump too, but this is friggin insane.” Not one of them… They weren’t FBI agents. They were political activists. If such a conversation happened in a vacuum, I could possibly agree with you and suggest that such behavior should result in termination, demotions, etc. But, that's not what happened here at all. This didn't happen in a vacuum. This was just another possible "insurance” policy discussion. While it may not meet the legal definition of treason, it damn sure is sedition. And it is a stunning admission of something so unbelievable that I simply cannot fathom why you libs are not up in arms about this as “we” are. Well, we all know why. You’re too partisan to be intellectually honest, which is simply pathetic. You cannot justify or minimize this. You talk about a polarized country, well, this is why. This single issue is why I have moved from "libs are just stupid people with whom I disagree" to outright hatred. This is way, way, way bigger than the wall, my tax cut, and all of the other political philosophies worth debating. This was an attack on our liberty, and the very essence of this country. And for you to so flippantly dismiss and trivialize it is friggin astonishing.
Much better said than my post.
I don't care what party affiliation you have, if this doesn't scare, bother or worry you...I'm not sure what will.
The only ones that are brushing this off as a big nothing burger are individuals that are so partisan, they can't see past their hate for the POTUS.
I couldn't stand BO at POTUS, but I respected the position and would be 1000% worried, like I am now, had such individuals taken action like this against him.
This is a direct attack on this countries values and Liberty.
People have been lined up shot or hung for such actions in the past.
Like you said, if 1 conversation was done in a Vacuum, I could move past it. But there were multiple conversations and actions taken to unlawfully remove him. This was not an analysis of what steps need to be taken...news flash, they know what steps need to be taken if the 25th amendment is needed. This was an attack to remove him for political reasons, not bc he was mentally unstable or shot and on his death bed.
I know it gets said time and time again, but if the shoe were on the other foot...the same people who dismiss this would be up in arms and I guarantee you, people would already be in jail.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:22 pm to AggieHank86
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You cannot "fail" at something that you did not attempt.
Does the same apply to 'collusion'?
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:23 pm to AggieHank86
Adam Housley
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@adamhousley
As everyone on my feed debates the McCabe interview. One reminder. I reported the FBI internal issues began well before Trump ran and McCabe had issues with agents who didn’t play his game. Not defending Trump, just saying there’s a ton more to this story.
This group of people met without the Director knowing I am told and passed off the meetings as BBQ’s...when they were meetings all about control. Again, this started a while ago and targeted other agents who didn’t play their game
What I am saying is that this was a power and control issue, kinda like unmasking. You didn’t play with them, you were targeted. Period. Agents know and they’ve seen how those who spoke out were treated and bankrupted
Because everyone who cares is so divided and the media is at the very least ignorant, nobody is asking the deeper questions. Did 60 Mins ask how long these meetings had gone on?
My horse in this race is our country. Truth and decency. I’ve signed on to no man or woman. Like many corporations, there are power plays and cliques. This one happened to be in an agency that ruined some people’s lives
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:24 pm to Ten Bears
quote:If it was done to their guy, they would care.
And it is a stunning admission of something so unbelievable that I simply cannot fathom why you libs are not up in arms about this as “we” are
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:34 pm to Taxing Authority
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If it was done to their guy, they would care.
They would do a lot more than just CARE
They would go scorched earth
Posted on 2/15/19 at 12:41 pm to Placebeaux
Need a third spiderman for comey
Posted on 2/15/19 at 1:47 pm to Jake_LaMotta
quote:YES.quote:Does the same apply to 'collusion'?
You cannot "fail" at something that you did not attempt.
And for the 7.835.576th time, I have said from the BEGINNING that I doubt there was ever any affirmative collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 2:15 pm to Homesick Tiger
Bump, because this message needs to stay at the forefront. 
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