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re: Dan Bongino and Chernobyl producer in war of words over shows context
Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:11 pm to Revelator
Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:11 pm to Revelator
The problem of the commons is definitely an existential problem that poses issues for both socialism and capitalism. There will always be shared communal resources that must be managed smartly and fairly.
Even if you could solve the issue of self-motivation and you could get equal effort from individuals in a socialist system as in a capitalist system, there still remains the major problem of the command economy in socialism. It is infinitely less efficient to the point of incompetence in a modern economy compared to a market system with decentralized control that is responsive to market forces.
Even if you could solve the issue of self-motivation and you could get equal effort from individuals in a socialist system as in a capitalist system, there still remains the major problem of the command economy in socialism. It is infinitely less efficient to the point of incompetence in a modern economy compared to a market system with decentralized control that is responsive to market forces.
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Posted on 6/2/19 at 3:55 pm to Bruco
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The guy “asking” the coal miners to dig brought along soldiers with AK 47’s. I never got the sense they could say no
2 soldiers that the coal mining chief told to stfu and then they proceeded to smear coal all over the equivalence of the Energy Secretary while he sheepishly begged
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:32 pm to Revelator
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Current pictures of Pripyat Ukraine
I'm pretty sure that's New Orleans East
This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:38 pm to Zephyrius
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I'm pretty sure that's New Orleans East
It does resemble Jazzland
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:40 pm to BBONDS25
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Are you saying that the number is inflated or that people did not die at the hand of communist dictators?
you’re better than this
Posted on 6/2/19 at 4:44 pm to Bruco
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And a couple years after Chernobyl the coal miners were brave enough to strike against the government.
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uring the Russian Revolution and the Russian Civil War that immediately followed, there were all sorts of ideas about how to organize and manage industries, and many people thought that the trade unions would be the vehicle of workers' control of industries. By the Stalinist era of the 1930s, it was clear that the party and government made the rules and that the trade unions were not permitted to challenge them in any substantial way. In the decades after Stalin, the worst of the powerlessness of the unions was past, but Soviet trade unions remained something closer to company unions, answering to the party and government, than to truly independent organizations.[1
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:08 pm to More&Les
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The coal miners is another good example, these men were painted as independent Patriots free to decide whether or not they were going to dig...
Not sure where you are getting this. They had no choice but to go.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:12 pm to More&Les
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The coal miners is another good example, these men were painted as independent Patriots free to decide whether or not they were going to dig...
Wat
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:23 pm to Esquire
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The coal miners is another good example, these men were painted as independent Patriots free to decide whether or not they were going to dig...
Not sure where you are getting this. They had no choice but to go.
I agree, they had no choice but the show didn't depict it that way, same with the volunteers to wade into the tanks under the core or the volunteers flocking the gym to go up on the roof for 90seconds to death, none of them chose, they were told by mother Russia to stfu and do your job.
The series makes it seem like they all decided for themselves
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:34 pm to Strannix
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And America’s one nuclear emergency was under.....wait for it....... Jimmy Carter
Not sure why this is funny. He was the first president i remember as i was between 3-7 yrs old. I do not agree today, with many of the things he agreed with.
But i do know that had that accident happened under any other president it could have been the end of our nuclear industry. He was very well educated in nuclear power. It's what he did in the navy.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:44 pm to Bruco
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And the government made sure they were naive to the dangers of radiation. They didn’t see it as anything to fear. Not like they go on the internet and read about. They knew what their government told them.
Why would govt keep them "naive"? There was no danger... unless there was an accident. Do you feel in danger living in NC? Pretty sure you have some nukes there.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 5:46 pm to Loserman
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Jimmy Carter was a terrible President but knew more about nuclear power than you will ever know
^ this. A million times over.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:15 pm to deuceiswild
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Why would govt keep them "naive"? There was no danger... unless there was an accident. Do you feel in danger living in NC? Pretty sure you have some nukes there.
Because they wanted a dumb and submissive population.
I lived about 2 miles from a nuke plant near Charlotte, guess what, they regularly send literature to local residents of what to do in an emergency, AND they supply the locals with iodine pills.
The fricking hospitals near Chernobyl didn't even have them
Posted on 6/2/19 at 6:47 pm to Revelator
Mazen is a dipshit.
On the Chernobyl podcast he said only the Soviet people could have responded to Chernobyl. That only the Soviets would have had the sense of duty to put their life on the line to save others like the workers at Chernobyl.
Really vile thinking.
On the Chernobyl podcast he said only the Soviet people could have responded to Chernobyl. That only the Soviets would have had the sense of duty to put their life on the line to save others like the workers at Chernobyl.
Really vile thinking.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 7:28 pm to Revelator
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It's impossible to watch HBO's CHERNOBYL without thinking of Donald Trump
wut?This post was edited on 6/2/19 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 6/2/19 at 8:30 pm to More&Les
Fair enough. What exactly does the literature say? How educated do you really feel because of it?
I'm not defending the Russian govt here. As a licensed nuclear reactor operator, im well aware of exactly why the accident at Chernobyl happened.
I'm not defending the Russian govt here. As a licensed nuclear reactor operator, im well aware of exactly why the accident at Chernobyl happened.
Posted on 6/2/19 at 9:50 pm to deuceiswild
It's been several years but first and foremost it says don't stick around for the light show and dancing in radioactive ash is probably not a swell plan...
Have a go bag, grab it and gtfo, take your iodine pills
Have a go bag, grab it and gtfo, take your iodine pills
Posted on 6/2/19 at 10:21 pm to deuceiswild
Posted on 6/2/19 at 11:39 pm to More&Les
All plants are required to have these pamphlets for residents within a certain distance.
I guess my point is that you are minimally more educated on radiation than those people were. The pamphlet does very little, if anything, and the pills are meaningless unless you've already gotten some. You don't think you'll be able to simply go pick some up when the sirens go off, do you?
My professional advice would be to follow the directions given by your local authorities in the unlikely event of an accident. My personal advice is to stay the hell put unless you are in the direct path of a very highly radioactive plume released by the plant. You're much more likely to be harmed in the evacuation process with thousands of panicking paranoid people than by being exposed to low level radiation. Fukushima is a prime example.
I guess my point is that you are minimally more educated on radiation than those people were. The pamphlet does very little, if anything, and the pills are meaningless unless you've already gotten some. You don't think you'll be able to simply go pick some up when the sirens go off, do you?
My professional advice would be to follow the directions given by your local authorities in the unlikely event of an accident. My personal advice is to stay the hell put unless you are in the direct path of a very highly radioactive plume released by the plant. You're much more likely to be harmed in the evacuation process with thousands of panicking paranoid people than by being exposed to low level radiation. Fukushima is a prime example.
Posted on 6/3/19 at 12:32 am to deuceiswild
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I guess my point is that you are minimally more educated on radiation than those people were. The pamphlet does very little, if anything, and the pills are meaningless unless you've already gotten some. You don't think you'll be able to simply go pick some up when the sirens go off, do you?
I guess you missed the point where they already provide the pills
And you are nuts if you think Americans now, or in the Eighties were less informed about the dangers of radiation exposure than the folks at Chernobyl who thought they needed to get closer to the plant to see the pretty lights.
The fire fighters didn't know not to pick up graphite with their bear hands.
The pregnant wives of fire fighters didn't know not to hug, hold and kiss their husbands as the literally melted in the hospital.
Your best advice totally misses the point. Thousands upon thousands of people died due to Chernobyl because the Government kept them in the dark, lied to them and blockaded them in a zone engulfed in a level 7 radiation event.
Fukushima, also a level 7, didn't kill more people because the government didn't spend days pretending it didn't happen, weeks forcing their people to expose themselves and months acting like it was no big deal.
In fact, Fukushima wasn't the precipitating event, it was part of a much greater natural disaster and it was still handled 100 times better than Chernobyl
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