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re: Crime has been falling in DC.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/11/25 at 6:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
steve meve doesn't really like you all that much either. 
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Posted on 8/11/25 at 6:18 pm to Rebel
The hell?
Posted on 8/11/25 at 6:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
There is a guy named "Big Balls" who begs to differ.
Posted on 8/11/25 at 8:28 pm to Goforit
Posted on 8/11/25 at 10:07 pm to FlyDownTheField83
quote:The murder stats are very simple. MAYBE a body or two here or there can be fudged. Precipitous declines cannot be. No matter how much vibing or whining or "feeling" any of you do about murder stats, the truth is clear: homicide nearly everywhere is vastly lower in this country than it was 20-30 years ago. Why are we so intent on pretending this isn't true?
There are no simple facts here, the data used to make these assertions has been repeatedly cited as false.
quote:The "reality" you are talking about is warped social media over-consumption. Back in the day, there was no doom scroll of every crime that happened in a city far away that you were never going to visit in your entire life. That certainly does not mean those crimes were NOT happening when you didn't have the ability to drop in on them casually in your easy chair every night.
It is possible some cities have seen an improvement, but to deny the reality that some people see every day is typical of a Democrat mindset and pushing of a narrative.
quote:Please. "Opposite view" meaning "we FEEL something is true even though we can't back it up at all".
It is also interesting that you use the same tactic as Democrats when challenged on their assertions, insulting the people that bring up an opposite view. Keep it up, this says more about you than anyone else.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 3:17 am to prplhze2000
So the odds of someone getting murdered is 12% lower than last summer? Oh, shite! Guess that means it's safe for me to roam MLK Blvd at night!
Posted on 8/12/25 at 3:48 am to prplhze2000
Regarding crime overall in the US, step back from the granular data (which we know is flawed).
20 million illegals entered the country, 10s of thousands of which were known criminals in their own countries. Now we know many local law entities dont report crime by legal/illegal. If you dont count a person as illegal when they commit a crime you have the ole "illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens". In summary, you have added significantly to the criminal element in the country.
Second, you have a huge drug problem, an addiction where a person would sell their own child for a fix.
Third, reduction of police forces, or at least those who can enforce the law, cashless bail, far left Soros DAs.
You add these three issues to the equation.....and somehow crime has dropped significantly in the past decade? This makes absolutely no sense to any rational person.
20 million illegals entered the country, 10s of thousands of which were known criminals in their own countries. Now we know many local law entities dont report crime by legal/illegal. If you dont count a person as illegal when they commit a crime you have the ole "illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens". In summary, you have added significantly to the criminal element in the country.
Second, you have a huge drug problem, an addiction where a person would sell their own child for a fix.
Third, reduction of police forces, or at least those who can enforce the law, cashless bail, far left Soros DAs.
You add these three issues to the equation.....and somehow crime has dropped significantly in the past decade? This makes absolutely no sense to any rational person.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 4:13 am to Big Scrub TX
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It's amazing how resistant people are to these simple facts.
People who live in small towns and rural areas are always convinced there is horrible crime in big cities where they don’t live and they won’t visit.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 5:23 am to prplhze2000
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Homicide rates in D.C. increased from 2017-21, before dropping sharply in 2022, and spiking again in 2023. The number of homicides in D.C. per year has been decreasing since 2023 — from 274 homicides in 2023, to 187 in 2024.
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In 2024, Washington, D.C. had a homicide rate of 27.3 per 100,000 residents. This rate is significantly higher than many other major US cities and is considered among the highest in the country.
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This rate is higher than cities like New York City, Atlanta, Chicago, and Compton.
Also wanted to add that 2023 was a 20 year record high so "The number of homicides in D.C. per year has been decreasing since 2023" is a pointless statement. It's hard to not go down after that kind of year.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 6:20 am to DMAN1968
If I heard right, there was a shooting/killing not to far from the "DC is safe" protests yesterday.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP it is interesting you want to die on this hill of “this data is good”.
It is not.
The oversight committee discredited it, and numerous large cities categorically stated their data used in the report is not accurate. Many police departments have said that changes in the data collection have led them to stop submitting data to the FBI.
While it is fair to say that in some locations crime has improved based on local information, the blanket statement of things everywhere are so much better really stinks of pushing a narrative.
It is not.
The oversight committee discredited it, and numerous large cities categorically stated their data used in the report is not accurate. Many police departments have said that changes in the data collection have led them to stop submitting data to the FBI.
While it is fair to say that in some locations crime has improved based on local information, the blanket statement of things everywhere are so much better really stinks of pushing a narrative.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:00 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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The oversight committee discredited it,
I believe I covered this already ITT
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and numerous large cities categorically stated their data used in the report is not accurate. Many police departments have said that changes in the data collection have led them to stop submitting data to the FBI.
And this means, what, in this conversation?
Does the data from these cities themselves reflect an increase or decrease in crime?
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the blanket statement of things everywhere are so much better
Not what I said. I've even stated some of the outliers/exceptions, like Baton Rouge.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:05 pm to Big Scrub TX
When police departments have stopped reporting data to the FBI what do you think that does to the number of murders reported? This is not fudging a body or two.
Just because I question your “knowns” because I have seen written assertions that the data is inaccurate you are the one that gets indignant and FEELs that something is not true.
Go ahead and you do you,……just do not expect to get a free pass when you are wrong.
Just because I question your “knowns” because I have seen written assertions that the data is inaccurate you are the one that gets indignant and FEELs that something is not true.
Go ahead and you do you,……just do not expect to get a free pass when you are wrong.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:07 pm to lake chuck fan
Have you ever personally been to D.C. ? Curious have a feeling a bunch of you just sit at home in Louisiana
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:08 pm to FlyDownTheField83
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When police departments have stopped reporting data to the FBI what do you think that does to the number of murders reported?
Do you think they just leave it out and calculate that 0 in the total?
The FBI uses data analysis to fill in the gap, but the flaw in your argument is assuming we can't look at the data at the city level.
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are the one that gets indignant and FEELs that something is not true.
Again, we can look at the city-level data.
Which big cities that didn't report to the FBI would you like to look at?
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
You in this thread.
Friends don’t let friends go full Gazi.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:09 pm to DMAN1968
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In 2024, Washington, D.C. had a homicide rate of 27.3 per 100,000 residents.
Despite the clapping dem seals blindly repeating the "record low" BS talking point, 27.3 per 100,000 is third world level in our nation's capitol. If that's a "record low," imagine the horror of its previous high!
El Paso TX usually has a homicide record of 2/100,000 or under while its gun banned sister city Juarez MX is more like DC with its 70/100,000 or more.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:09 pm to Rebel
Naw. He's making a terrible argument and I already did this last year.
Cities not reporting data to the FBI doesn't mean that the data is bad or would reverse the trend.
Cities not reporting data to the FBI doesn't mean that the data is bad or would reverse the trend.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:10 pm to Auburn1968
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is third world level in our nation's capitol.
We're a violent country compared to basically the entire developed world.
This argument was first really promoted by Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine. Congrats.
Posted on 8/12/25 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Cities not reporting data to the FBI doesn't mean that the data is bad
Yes it 100% means the data is bad
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