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re: Could you imagine wanting to go to war with Russia?

Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:09 pm to
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79676 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:09 pm to
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we are the world's beacon FOR freedom


That was true in 1942.

Not so much today.
Posted by frankenfish
Crofton, MD
Member since Feb 2008
837 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:14 pm to
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The United States is in no position to lecture any nation about territorial aggression.


OK, so because the US has made mistakes that makes us ineligible to try to hold other countries accountable. And because of this we can't say Russia has no right to invade a sovereign country, recognized by hundreds of other countries as sovereign?

So because of our past mistakes, is it now just might makes right? Russia can invade a sovereign independent neighboring country for whatever reason they want and we can't say, "Hey, citizens of this sovereign country don't want to be subjugated by you and they have a right to self-determination?" I think, as imperfectly as that theory has been implemented as you point out, that one of the founding principles of the US is self-determination. It's a principle, an ideal, and ideals are never met perfectly, but are perfections worth constantly striving towards. I'm not advocating total war with anyone, but shouldn't we point out when wrong is wrong?

NATO isn't trying to recruit Ukraine to pressure Russia as Russian claims, falsely as any objective observer can see. If Ukraine, and their neighbors are trying to join NATO it's because they were subjugated by Russia/the Soviet Union for years- millions were starved in the Ukranian famine of 32-33. How justly are we correct to oppose vaccine mandates; how about a country trying to re-invade yours after starving your great-grandparents?

Russia didn't stop with it's invasion of Crimea, now they want Ukraine and are making demands about Romania and Bulgaria.

Andy why? These poor little countries pose no threat to Russia, except that their citizens want freedom; Putin wants no freedom, so having free democracies near him threatens him and his power. What right does Russia have to dictate what happens in the independent countries of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria, countries which they invaded and occupied and brutally subjugated after WWII? What is unique about these countries that allow Russia to dictate? Does that apply to all former Eastern block countries?

Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 7:20 pm to
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Andy why? These poor little countries pose no threat to Russia, except that their citizens want freedom; Putin wants no freedom, so having free democracies near him threatens him and his power. What right does Russia have to dictate what happens in the independent countries of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria, countries which they invaded and occupied and brutally subjugated after WWII? What is unique about these countries that allow Russia to dictate? Does that apply to all former Eastern block countries?



Not our problem
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
36019 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:10 pm to
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And because of this we can't say Russia has no right to invade a sovereign country, recognized by hundreds of other countries as sovereign?

If we actually believed this, we wouldn't be the world's worst offender at violating the territorial sovereignty of free nations. This has nothing to do with principle and everything to do with money, specifically for our corrupt political class.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
17706 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:54 pm to
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OK, so because the US has made mistakes that makes us ineligible to try to hold other countries accountable. And because of this we can't say Russia has no right to invade a sovereign country, recognized by hundreds of other countries as sovereign?


Yeah. I’d say “mistakes were made.” And that is exactly why the United States has no credibility whatsoever on the issue. It is akin to China preaching about Free Speech.

Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
17706 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:55 pm to
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This has nothing to do with principle and everything to do with money, specifically for our corrupt political class.


Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
10568 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 8:58 pm to
Remember, Trump was going to cause WWIII, OMG!

What it really was, the IMC wasn't getting their conflicts and war drum. It's amazing how predictable the swamp is, and troublesome more people can't see right through the veil.
Posted by LatinTiger30
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
4428 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:09 pm to
Be careful what you wish for. If Russia is allowed to invade Ukraine, they are not stopping there. It's also emboldened China to invade Taiwan, Iran to strike at Isreal. America credibility in the world is shot if we allow the Russians to invade the Ukraine. We need the CIA to create another Afghanistan for the Russians and get the Russian people to overthrow that criminal Putin.

Russia is not attacking anyone with nukes. They know the consequences That it's mutually assured destruction by doing so. Putin loves money and power too much to sabotage himself.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
Team Bitter Clinger
Member since May 2020
17706 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:22 pm to
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We need the CIA to create another Afghanistan for the Russians and get the Russian people to overthrow that criminal Putin.




You can’t be serious?

The CIA’s long history of promoting proxy wars and sponsoring terrorism hasn’t exactly been a winning strategy for the United States.





Posted by LatinTiger30
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
4428 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 9:29 pm to
The Germans are the damn problem! Most European nations are doing their part, but the Germans are fricking it up by not supporting other Nato members. The bigger questions is what do the Russian accomplish by taking the Ukraine? Many of the former Warsaw Pact countries are now part of Nato.
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
7795 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:12 pm to
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If Russia is allowed to invade Ukraine

Then these things don't happen
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China to invade Taiwan

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Iran to strike at Isreal

If we get into a direct conflict with Russia it will start WW3 because
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China to invade Taiwan

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Iran to strike at Isreal

and you can toss in N. Korea striking S. Korea.

The EU isn't going to do anything and we can't fight wars with regional powers on multiple fronts. As soon as we get in direct conflict then everything we have been holding back for the last 70 years moves forward. The populations of the western nations are in no mood for foreign wars at the moment. It would be a disaster for us which is exactly why Russia is doing this now.
Posted by LatinTiger30
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
4428 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:22 pm to
It is written in the Holy Bible how this will playout. There is nothing we can do to stop it, but pray.
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:24 pm to
It seems like the media wants us in this conflict.

We have no business in it.
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