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Coronavirus and the Collapse of Our Imaginations (some positive vibes)

Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:37 am
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:37 am
This is inspired by 4cubbies thread yesterday asking for some positives about the CV situation

A guy I went to high school with wrote this and I thought it was pretty interesting. There may be some positives to take away from this on the other end of things.

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Right now, millions of people throughout North America and Europe are living through an unprecedented situation and making unprecedented demands. Formerly meek white-collar workers content to schlep to and from the office every day are demanding the right to telecommute. Blue-collar workers told they are essential are demanding raises- here in Washington, our grocery workers just secured two dollars an hour through their union. And workers across trades and professions and political persuasions, finding themselves laid off, are demanding the right to a living, whether or not the economy currently requires their services. To say we have arrived at a revolutionary moment is perhaps an understatement.

And how are we responding? Our ghoulish leaders are fretting over how many lives a point on the Dow Jones is worth. Congressional Democrats want to ensure the boards of the corporations sucking down “relief” are adequately diverse. The Atlantic, in a typical bit of inadvertent hilarity, is anguished because the plague might separate women from the neoliberal capitalist order into which they have been so painstakingly integrated.

But the moment remains. The people, for the first time in memory, are unabashedly demanding cash relief- not tax incentives or credits, not rejiggering of fine details, but cash on the nail. Even libertarian Congressman Justin Amash, not typically amenable to government largesse, is calling for the entire stimulus to be divided among the American people, rather than reserved primarily for corporate coffers.


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Start with telecommuting. Millions of us have what David Graeber calls “bullshite jobs,” jobs that produce nothing, create no wealth, but exist merely to help circulate money so goods can be distributed. Even white-collar workers with real jobs are chained to 19th-century notions of work, with a desk in a building and appointed hours at which they must sit there. We rise to alarm clocks, get into cars, belch carbon into the atmosphere, and alternate between working and goofing off as we wait for the time to pass.

But not under coronavirus. Under coronavirus, we wake with the sun, we take leisurely morning strolls, we fit our work around our children and our spouses. Instead of furtively scrolling Facebook when we get bored working, we play or make love or create. For many of us, coronavirus has been liberating amidst the quarantines. How ghastly that it has taken the threat of a global pandemic for our bosses to take advantage of technology that has existed for twenty years, at least. How cowardly of us not to demand it sooner.

What if we never went back? Imagine roads clear of traffic around the clock. Imagine air cleansed of the emissions of millions of cars. Imagine the demand for gas dropping first the price, then the environmentally devastating production. For my fellow office drones, imagine every morning waking up naturally, not to an alarm clock, and spending each day doing at each moment what you most wanted to do, not whatever would pass the time while waiting for five o’clock. That could be ours, if only we insist on it.


I left some gaps in there as to not post the entire posting but it is here if you would like to read it all. I think he has excellent points. F the current system. If this proves there is a better way then let's continue doing it that way.

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Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:41 am to
Did not see the thread yesterday but one positive I have seen from the virus is the Atlanta traffic. I had to go right through the heart of it Thursday to get to a job site and I didn't have to drop below the speed limit once.

That was kinda nice
Posted by volnavy
Fair wind and following seas
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:41 am to
The author just made a solid case on why they shouldn't telecommute.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162223 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:43 am to
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The author just made a solid case on why they shouldn't telecommute.


Please elaborate
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118782 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:46 am to
Sounds like he’s happy that he can apply down time at work to personal goals at home instead of posting on Tigerdoppings.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162223 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:48 am to
And he's right. If he can spend more time with his wife instead of shite posting on social media doesn't that offer a better quality of life?
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54210 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:48 am to
Sounds to me he is wishing for the 50s and 60s to come back. I'm good with that.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162223 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:52 am to
He's definitely a big proponent of the nuclear family model that seems to be getting rarer these days

But seriously if you have an office job why do you have to show up at the office if the work can be done from home? It's a stupid antiquated idea that should have been obliterated years ago. Some people already do it in the tech world but it should be applied to more occupations in my opinion.
Posted by volnavy
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:54 am to
Doesnt sound like time is being devoted to your job in his telecommuting scenario.

If your job is that useless. The company probably isnt going to retain you.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20767 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:55 am to
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But seriously if you have an office job why do you have to show up at the office if the work can be done from home? It's a stupid antiquated idea that should have been obliterated years ago. Some people already do it in the tech world but it should be applied to more occupations in my opinion.




Because managers would then suddenly realize how ineffective they really are
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162223 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:58 am to
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Doesnt sound like time is being devoted to your job in his telecommuting scenario.

If your job is that useless. The company probably isnt going to retain you.



Just about every office job has some down time

I've had days where I'm so busy I barely have time to get up to piss and I've had days where I could have knocked out everything I had to do in 2 hours and was stuck there for 10 hours

Long story short - he is right and you're wrong
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 6:59 am to
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Because managers would then suddenly realize how ineffective they really are


Do you think managers are unaware that their office employees have down time at the office?
Posted by volnavy
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:00 am to
I agree with the idea of telecommuting, I do it myself.

But the way he is trying to sell it, is why we dont have it on a larger scale.
Posted by volnavy
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Member since Jan 2009
748 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:02 am to
I would argue managers end up working more in a telecommute enviroment.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162223 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:03 am to
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I agree with the idea of telecommuting, I do it myself.

But the way he is trying to sell it, is why we dont have it on a larger scale.

Perhaps he's painting too optimistic of a picture for what it would be like for most jobs

I'm sure he's speaking of his own experience. He's an engineer so having some set 8-5 schedule is probably a bit silly for him with the type of work he does. If you're not working with extremely proximate deadlines (like by the hour) then there really is no point in having a set schedule. Just get your work done. If it takes you 8 hours a day so be it. If you can get it done in 3 why should anyone care?
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54210 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:03 am to
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But seriously if you have an office job why do you have to show up at the office if the work can be done from home?


I'm thinking the same thing about getting an education in our school systems. Many are now holding class online because schools are shut down. Why can't this be done on a regular basis? Would save a helluva lot of money by not having to build and maintain actual buildings, staff, etc.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61260 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:04 am to
I think that man is a utopian and severely underestimates what people would do with their free time as time goes on.

He sounds like a major lib, and I believe a lot of lefties have been saying similar things.

"Oh if we could just pay everyone to not have to work jobs they hate they would use their free time to create!"


Is this true of welfare recipients?


And the last paragraph is absurd. Is he happy no one is going anywhere or doing anything or traveling or driving places?

And hes whining about the stock market dropping a point? Its dropped a shite ton. Why does he think we're passing a stimulus package?

Maybe he should find some people who actually lost their jobs, or enjoy going out and doing things.


Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162223 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:05 am to
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I'm thinking the same thing about getting an education in our school systems. Many are now holding class online because schools are shut down. Why can't this be done on a regular basis? Would save a helluva lot of money by not having to build and maintain actual buildings, staff, etc.



And students can view the online lectures when it is convenient for them. One of the annoying things about scheduling college classes is you can run into time conflicts. You might want to take 2 classes one semester but they're both in the same time slot. Sorry can't do it. Doesn't that alone seem antiquated by now?

Not to mention a lot of people don't have the luxury of not working while in school. This would give them the opportunity to have infinite flexibility with their work schedule.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162223 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:09 am to
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I think that man is a utopian and severely underestimates what people would do with their free time as time goes on.

He sounds like a major lib, and I believe a lot of lefties have been saying similar things.

And you couldn't be more wrong. He is one of the biggest pro Trump guys I've met.

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Is this true of welfare recipients?

No. But they're not exactly productive members of society. Someone with a proven 20 year track record in the work force should be given more benefit of a doubt than a welfare recipient in this regard.

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And the last paragraph is absurd. Is he happy no one is going anywhere or doing anything or traveling or driving places?


No. But less people traveling for the sake of going to and from a job to sit in a cubicle isn't a bad thing.

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And hes whining about the stock market dropping a point? Its dropped a shite ton.

But he is correct. People on this very forum are having debates about how many lives are worth risking to improve the economy.
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Why does he think we're passing a stimulus package?

Not really addressed in this piece.
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Maybe he should find some people who actually lost their jobs, or enjoy going out and doing things.


Who says he doesn't enjoy going out and doing things? Maybe he just doesn't enjoy the pointless commute to work and back every day.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54210 posts
Posted on 3/28/20 at 7:19 am to
quote:

Is he happy no one is going anywhere or doing anything or traveling or driving places?



I think the theme of the man's diatribe basically is don't do standing up what you can do sitting down. An old college prof told us that one time. i.e., why waste time doing something away from home if you can do it at home. There is no downside to that that I can see.
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