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Posted on 4/23/25 at 6:24 pm to Champagne
Give it a shot. I’m willing to hear it.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 6:27 pm to Champagne
William Tyndale - Hunted
Oh yes, you mean William Tyndale who sought to have folks actually read the Bible and was hunted down and killed by the Catholic Church.
Oh yes, you mean William Tyndale who sought to have folks actually read the Bible and was hunted down and killed by the Catholic Church.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:07 pm to cssamerican
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So, at what point did the Catholic Church throw this tradition out?
When they parted from the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church found in Eastern Orthodoxy.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:24 pm to Champagne
Correct. Richleau, unfortunately is wrong on a lot of his beliefs. It is sad.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:28 pm to RobbBobb
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But you couldnt have James (brother of Jesus) as the pope. Because you cling to the bizarre notion that Mary was either a virgin her entire life, or only gave birth to one child
So you deny that Jesus made Peter the leader of the church. That is blasphemy, brother. You can’t deny what Jesus said and be a Christian.
Additionally, Jesus had no brothers. Brother meant a lot of different things at the time.
You need some Sunday School in your life.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 7:48 pm to Furious
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Additionally, Jesus had no brothers.
True. But He DID have 4 half brothers and had half sisters as well.
Obviously a different Father than Jesus, but the same Mother.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:44 pm to Richleau
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Communion existed before Jesus’ time. Now give me an example that existed after his time.
The Eucharist exists outside of time. It was instituted by Jesus Christ Himself at The Last Supper, but it truly exists outside of and beyond Time itself.
The Jewish Sacrifice of the Todah is parallel to The Eucharist. The Jewish People themselves say that the Todah is the only Sacrifice that will exist throughout eternity - until the end of time and beyond. The Todah, in the New Covenant, is now The Eucharist.
Both The Todah and The Eucharist are the ultimate Sacrifice of Thanksgiving to Almighty God.
The Jewish People are correct about the Todah Sacrifice of Thanksgiving. In The Eucharist, it exists now, and into eternity.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:47 pm to Richleau
Written by St. Cyril of Jerusalem who lived from 313 to 386 AD --
From his Jerusalem Catecheses
(Cat. 22 Mystagogica 4, 1, 3-6,9; PG 53. 1098-1106)
The bread of heaven and the cup of salvation
On the night he was betrayed our Lord Jesus Christ took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples and said: “Take, eat: this is my body.” He took the cup, gave thanks and said: “Take, drink: this is my blood.” Since Christ himself has declared the bread to be his body, who can have any further doubt? Since he himself has said quite categorically, This is my blood, who would dare to question it and say that it is not his blood?
Therefore, it is with complete assurance that we receive the bread and wine as the body and blood of Christ. His body is given to us under the symbol of bread, and his blood is given to us under the symbol of wine, in order to make us by receiving them one body and blood with him. Having his body and blood in our members, we become bearers of Christ and sharers, as Saint Peter says, in the divine nature.
Once, when speaking to the Jews, Christ said: Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you shall have no life in you. This horrified them and they left him. Not understanding his words in a spiritual way, they thought the Saviour wished them to practise cannibalism.
Under the old covenant there was showbread, but it came to an end with the old dispensation to which it belonged. Under the new covenant there is bread from heaven and the cup of salvation. These sanctify both soul and body, the bread being adapted to the sanctification of the body, the Word, to the sanctification of the soul.
Do not, then, regard the eucharistic elements as ordinary bread and wine: they are in fact the body and blood of the Lord, as he himself has declared. Whatever your senses may tell you, be strong in faith.
You have been taught and you are firmly convinced that what looks and tastes like bread and wine is not bread and wine but the body and the blood of Christ. You know also how David referred to this long ago when he sang: Bread gives strength to man’s heart and makes his face shine with the oil of gladness. Strengthen your heart, then, by receiving this bread as spiritual bread, and bring joy to the face of your soul.
May purity of conscience remove the veil from the face of your soul so that by contemplating the glory of the Lord, as in a mirror, you may be transformed from glory to glory in Christ Jesus our Lord. To him be glory for ever and ever.
From his Jerusalem Catecheses
(Cat. 22 Mystagogica 4, 1, 3-6,9; PG 53. 1098-1106)
The bread of heaven and the cup of salvation
On the night he was betrayed our Lord Jesus Christ took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples and said: “Take, eat: this is my body.” He took the cup, gave thanks and said: “Take, drink: this is my blood.” Since Christ himself has declared the bread to be his body, who can have any further doubt? Since he himself has said quite categorically, This is my blood, who would dare to question it and say that it is not his blood?
Therefore, it is with complete assurance that we receive the bread and wine as the body and blood of Christ. His body is given to us under the symbol of bread, and his blood is given to us under the symbol of wine, in order to make us by receiving them one body and blood with him. Having his body and blood in our members, we become bearers of Christ and sharers, as Saint Peter says, in the divine nature.
Once, when speaking to the Jews, Christ said: Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you shall have no life in you. This horrified them and they left him. Not understanding his words in a spiritual way, they thought the Saviour wished them to practise cannibalism.
Under the old covenant there was showbread, but it came to an end with the old dispensation to which it belonged. Under the new covenant there is bread from heaven and the cup of salvation. These sanctify both soul and body, the bread being adapted to the sanctification of the body, the Word, to the sanctification of the soul.
Do not, then, regard the eucharistic elements as ordinary bread and wine: they are in fact the body and blood of the Lord, as he himself has declared. Whatever your senses may tell you, be strong in faith.
You have been taught and you are firmly convinced that what looks and tastes like bread and wine is not bread and wine but the body and the blood of Christ. You know also how David referred to this long ago when he sang: Bread gives strength to man’s heart and makes his face shine with the oil of gladness. Strengthen your heart, then, by receiving this bread as spiritual bread, and bring joy to the face of your soul.
May purity of conscience remove the veil from the face of your soul so that by contemplating the glory of the Lord, as in a mirror, you may be transformed from glory to glory in Christ Jesus our Lord. To him be glory for ever and ever.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:51 pm to MemphisGuy
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True. But He DID have 4 half brothers and had half sisters as well.
No, this is not historically accurate. In Jesus's day, cousins were referred to as brothers and sisters.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:52 pm to Champagne
That's awesome.
I disagree slightly... it's a symbol of Christ's sacrifice for us, but the meaning is the same... we can agree to disagree on that small point... neither view will "make us or break us" so to speak.
But overall, that's... awesome stuff, Champagne.
I disagree slightly... it's a symbol of Christ's sacrifice for us, but the meaning is the same... we can agree to disagree on that small point... neither view will "make us or break us" so to speak.
But overall, that's... awesome stuff, Champagne.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:53 pm to Champagne
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In Jesus's day, cousins were referred to as brothers and sisters.
But the Hebrew has different words for brothers and sisters and cousins. And the Hebrew word for cousin is not what was used.
Although I think we will agree to disagree on the point and neither view will keep us from spending eternity with Jesus.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:56 pm to mudshuvl05
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Far before Roman Catholicism stood alone, the ecumenical council consisted of the 5 patriarchates known as the Pentarchy. Four are still Orthodox
I’m Catholic and you are correct. A little abrasive, but correct (for the most part) lol
I’ve been wanting to post this.
It’s sad that the East / West Schism happened. A mutual excommunication.
The two are closer than most realize… many things hung up on semantics.
I left the Catholic Church for a period of time. Spent several years in different Protestant churches - Baptist, Methodist, Nazarene, Assemblies of God. Met many amazing and Godly people.
I’m honest with Catholics in my circle that get it wrong. The ones that brag about things like “One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church” knowing that the creed is lower case “c” catholic meaning “universal”.
I’m equally honest in my Protestant circles when they make incorrect accusations about Catholic Theology.
I love my Protestant friends, but if I weren’t Catholic I’d be Orthodox.
Studying the early Church did it for me.
Catholics have some bad apples, but we also have over half of the world’s Christians.
I love the Orthodox dynamic, because Catholics are only used to arguing with Protestants.
Protestants can’t argue with Orthodox Christians because they are programmed with Anti Catholic talking points.
Another poster talked about Orthodoxy falling under Rome. Definitely incorrect… he’s probably thinking of The Eastern-Rite of the Catholic Church. Basically Orthodox that came into communion with Rome, so Rome let them keep their Orthodox traditions.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 8:58 pm to Champagne
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:05 pm to Furious
Wrong about what? Catholics didn’t hide the Bible for centuries from its people and killed one who chose to translate it in English? That’s not true?
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:08 pm to Furious
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first Pope of the Catholic Church, St. Peter
Nope
Posted on 4/23/25 at 9:56 pm to MemphisGuy
Catholics believe in the Jewish Sacrifices of Passover and Todah. We believe that Sacrifice of The Eucharist perfects those Sacrifices here in the New Covenant.
In the Passover Sacrifice, the lamb that is Sacrificed must be eaten at the Seder Meal in order for the requirements of the Liturgy to be completed. When the Seder Meal is being consumed the Jewish People are taught to consider themselves as going through the Exodus themselves at that moment, as though the Exodus and Passover events exist outside of Time. The key point is that the Jewish Liturgy for this Ritual demands that the flesh of the sacrificed lamb is eaten.
The Early Christians considered The Eucharist Sacrifice to be like that, and we believe this even today. We believe that this Sacrifice exists outside of time and is in the present, the past and the future for eternity.
The Flesh of the Sacrificed Lamb of God must be eaten in order for the Sacrifice to have efficacy. Indeed, Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself told us that unless we eat His Flesh, we will have "no life" in us. So, even though it seems very strange to be required, we do believe that we must and are commanded to eat the Flesh of the Sacrificed Lamb of God.
The Jewish Religion required Sacrifice of flesh and we Catholics believe that our religion requires this Sacrifice of flesh. It is indeed a Mystery, but, God's Ways are Mysterious and are not the ways of humankind.
In the Passover Sacrifice, the lamb that is Sacrificed must be eaten at the Seder Meal in order for the requirements of the Liturgy to be completed. When the Seder Meal is being consumed the Jewish People are taught to consider themselves as going through the Exodus themselves at that moment, as though the Exodus and Passover events exist outside of Time. The key point is that the Jewish Liturgy for this Ritual demands that the flesh of the sacrificed lamb is eaten.
The Early Christians considered The Eucharist Sacrifice to be like that, and we believe this even today. We believe that this Sacrifice exists outside of time and is in the present, the past and the future for eternity.
The Flesh of the Sacrificed Lamb of God must be eaten in order for the Sacrifice to have efficacy. Indeed, Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself told us that unless we eat His Flesh, we will have "no life" in us. So, even though it seems very strange to be required, we do believe that we must and are commanded to eat the Flesh of the Sacrificed Lamb of God.
The Jewish Religion required Sacrifice of flesh and we Catholics believe that our religion requires this Sacrifice of flesh. It is indeed a Mystery, but, God's Ways are Mysterious and are not the ways of humankind.
This post was edited on 4/23/25 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:01 pm to Champagne
You do realize that Protestants also practice communion, right? What a self righteous bunch you Catholics are.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:01 pm to Richleau
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killed one who chose to translate it in English? That’s not true?
I don't know how what you say makes sense when the Roman Catholic Church and its Clergy translated the Holy Bible into English many times during the days of Anglo-Saxon England.
Posted on 4/23/25 at 10:01 pm to Champagne
History is a tough one for you, I get it.
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