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re: Convention off the states.. all 50 now in play
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:35 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:35 am to SpidermanTUba
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We need to have guns so when we disagree with the law we can shoot people trying to enforce it.
Only if that becomes necessary, but, yes that's at least 1 of the intended purposes.
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Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:38 am to Ace Midnight
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Balance the budget.
Term limits.
Don't underestimate the amount of consensus that could be drawn in a few key areas - and it wouldn't change things overnight, but could have long-term implications.
I'm sitting here trying to imagine the level of unbridled jackassery that such a convention could produce. Could you imagine our brick-dumb, crooked state legislators getting together with an equally crooked and equally foolish group of their peers from all over the nation to vie for the title of "who can say the most outrageous shite in front of a camera"--all with a bunch of rabid fanatics screaming at one another at the top of their lungs all around the Capitol Building?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:40 am to Navytiger74
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. Could you imagine our brick-dumb, crooked state legislators getting together with an equally crooked and equally foolish group of their peers from all over the nation to vie for the title of "who can say the most outrageous shite in front of a camera"--all with a bunch of rabid fanatics screaming at one another at the top of their lungs all around the Capitol Building?
That's an interesting point - who the hell would represent Louisiana in this thing?
I don't think we have one intelligent person in the state legislature right now.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:40 am to Navytiger74
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I'm sitting here trying to imagine the level of unbridled jackassery that such a convention could produce. Could you imagine our brick-dumb, crooked state legislators getting together with an equally crooked and equally foolish group of their peers from all over the nation to vie for the title of "who can say the most outrageous shite in front of a camera"--all with a bunch of rabid fanatics screaming at one another at the top of their lungs all around the Capitol Building?
Thanks for the dose of reality, NT - your scenario is probably more likely than mine, I'll grant you. But the idealist in my can dream for just a little while (or could have until you chimed in...) -
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:50 am to cwill
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What does this mean? Have the State legislatures passed something?
Several state legislatures have passed resolutions calling for a Constitutional Convention of the States. Most of those resolutions have limited the convention to one or only a few topics (a Balanced Budget Amendment being the most common, as it is the most likely to get the 3/4 of states needed for ratification).
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:54 am to Ace Midnight
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Only if that becomes necessary, but, yes that's at least 1 of the intended purposes.
Its necessary whenever I say the law is unconstitutional.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 11:58 am to Quidam65
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Most of those resolutions have limited the convention to one or only a few topics (a Balanced Budget Amendment being the most common, as it is the most likely to get the 3/4 of states needed for ratification).
And this is where our hopes lies - many states also have balanced budget amendments - so, NT's absolutely valid concerns about the corruptness of the individuals in the process - if we latch on to this possibility - this "first step" - however, small, might lead to more victories and more direct access for people to change things about the federal government they do not like.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:00 pm to Navytiger74
Each state handles it differently. You basically, as I understand it, appoint who will go and represent the state. It would not be the complete state legislature.
I'm for it. Washington has been out of touch too long. Let the people have a say.
I'm for it. Washington has been out of touch too long. Let the people have a say.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:05 pm to Ace Midnight
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what right do you believe the Second Amendment protects, and how far do you believe that protection extends?
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And "keep and bear arms" towards what purpose do you think was intended?
I think you leave out a key word in Militia
I think there is a valid question (maybe not answer) on whether the 14th should have extended the 2nd to the states. IE maybe the states should decide.
either way that is another question for another thread.
But i don't think Militia= army or military force.
so hand guns, rifles are definitely cool. maybe expansion beyond that to other firearms. Not as far as ole boy interpreted it
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:10 pm to Quidam65
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everal state legislatures have passed resolutions calling for a Constitutional Convention of the States.
Can you provide an exact number? I looked back at the map in the link and I see 3 states have done so.
I will go way out on a limb and predict that there will not be a "constitutional convention".
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:24 pm to cwill
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Can you provide an exact number?
Unfortunately nobody can. It all depends on what source you claim. It also depends on whether a state that called for a convention can later rescind said call (Louisiana rescinded its call in 1990 and, despite several attempts, hasn't reinstated it, unlike Alabama and Florida, which called, rescinded the call, then reinstated it).
Back in April, Michigan passed a resolution calling for a convention:
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If you take the position that a call cannot be rescinded, Louisiana is still in, Ohio in 2013 was #33, and Michigan in 2014 was #34.
If you take the position that a call can be rescinded, then you're under 34 since Louisiana did so.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 8:17 pm to Navytiger74
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I'm sitting here trying to imagine the level of unbridled jackassery that such a convention could produce. Could you imagine our brick-dumb, crooked state legislators getting together with an equally crooked and equally foolish group of their peers from all over the nation to vie for the title of "who can say the most outrageous shite in front of a camera"--all with a bunch of rabid fanatics screaming at one another at the top of their lungs all around the Capitol Building?
That's the attitude that I, quite frankly, despise. This hopeless, self-defeatist, give-up attitude from supposed concerned citizens or even citizens active in the political process. These supposed realists that for some reason think it is their job to dampen the spirit of people who have been compelled to enter the arena because... why? Less real estate for you to occupy? I'm not sure.
"We shouldn't try to turn around or halt the utter disregard of the Constitution by the federal government - or try to improve upon and modernize it - because, get this, our state legislators are buffoons."
Well whose fricking fault is that? You get the government you deserve.
And lets just walk through your scenario. We, as a grassroots movement, compel our state reps to vote to hold a convention. An agenda is set, a time a place is held and, well, politicians do what politicians do.
I can't think of a better exposition to the citizenry of just how inept the people they've elected to office are. They may even learn just who it is representing their district - how many in the populace even know their name? Is that the extent of the damage done if an amendment can't be agreed upon? Oh, well, we can't let that happen!
And if you can't find one person in your state who can go and represent the state legislature in a convention, vote yea or nea, and perhaps contribute to the process then we're in pretty bad shape as a country (if that is the case then we might as well go ahead and find our benevolent dictator now).
Or... maybe it's just more important to not embarrass ourselves.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:29 pm to Quidam65
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If you take the position that a call can be rescinded, then you're under 34 since Louisiana did so.
My position is that's a bunch of gobbledygook and there will be no constitutional convention.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 9:36 pm to SpidermanTUba
Tuba I don't recognize you with the new avi.
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