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re: Conspiracy to Perform Lawful Act

Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:19 pm to
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:19 pm to
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If Trump repaid Cohen, would that not qualify as the “overt act” that you reference?



Was that illegal in and of itself?
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

If Trump repaid Cohen, would that not qualify as the “overt act” that you reference?






and you claim to be a lawyer.

Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:23 pm to
Your a Fed, then get to stepping on the Hillary case
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
10097 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:24 pm to
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Are you Comey?


No.

(Checks creds, looks in mirror)

Nooooo!
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:26 pm to
Without the massive leap that this has anything to do with a campaign donation this is the biggest nothing burger ever
Posted by ClientNumber9
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:26 pm to
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Then you should know that there is an Overt Act requirement in most conspiracy charges as well. Convenient that was left out. Especially if the conspiracy charges would be filed in New York.

S 105.20 Conspiracy; pleading and proof; necessity of overt act.
A person shall not be convicted of conspiracy unless an overt act is alleged and proved to have been committed by one of the conspirators in furtherance of the conspiracy.

Source: New York State Law


Completely depends on if the case is federal or state. If it goes federal, New York State law doesn't apply.
Posted by AggieHank86
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:28 pm to
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you claim to be a lawyer.
Not a specialist in criminal law (especially in NY), no.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
26665 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:29 pm to
Here's a question. Should Stormy,Karen, their attorneys, and anyone associated with said act not be in jail for extortion and or blackmail?
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 4:31 pm
Posted by CptBengal
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:29 pm to
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Not a specialist in criminal law (especially in NY), no.




it's beyond pathetic now.
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
5591 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:32 pm to
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Completely depends on if the case is federal or state. If it goes federal, New York State law doesn't apply.



Is this a federal RICO charge? If not an Overt Act is required.

18 U.S.C. § 371, which require an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy, the statute of limitations begins to run on the date of the last overt act. See Fiswick v. United States, 329 U.S. 211 (1946); United States v. Butler, 792 F.2d 1528 (11th Cir. 1986). For conspiracy statutes which do not require proof of an overt act, such as RICO (18 U.S.C. § 1961) or 21 U.S.C. § 846


Very frighening a Fed wouldn't know this.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 4:39 pm
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:36 pm to
I understand your post but he cited NY state law. I'm merely stating NY state law may not apply.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:39 pm to
NDAs are illegal?
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:41 pm to
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The issue is somewhat more complicated, Seattle, and nuanced than that


Perfect
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
5591 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:43 pm to
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If Trump repaid Cohen, would that not qualify as the “overt act” that you reference?


Paying a fee to an attorney for an executing an NDA? No.

Granted the subject matter makes it seem unethical, but this type of thing happens in corporate law with regularity.
Posted by Nguyener
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Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:43 pm to
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Not a specialist in criminal law (especially in NY), no.



You went to law school and passed the bar though, correct?

I bet you suck at practicing.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:43 pm to
Would that not be entirely dependent upon whether they actively solicited the money and/or made threats regarding disclosures of information?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:46 pm to
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NDAs are illegal?
In general, no. I think they serve an entirely valid purpose, and I have used them on occasion in the past.

As you are well aware, the complication arises from the fact that there is, in this case, an intersection between general law in this area versus federal election law.
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:48 pm to
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area versus federal election law.




Under the laughable accusation this was a "campaign donation"
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:48 pm to
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quote:

The issue is somewhat more complicated, Seattle, and nuanced than that
Perfect
Farkin’ Siri.

Subtle. Fixed.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:51 pm to
quote:

quote:

If Trump repaid Cohen, would that not qualify as the “overt act” that you reference?
Paying a fee to an attorney for an executing an NDA? No.

Granted the subject matter makes it seem unethical, but this type of thing happens in corporate law with regularity.
I have settled countless claims in the last 30 years. Not once have I ever paid a settlement out of my own pocket without first consulting with the client, in the hope or expectation that he might choose to repay me.

Perhaps your experience is different.
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