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re: Conservatives/Moderates in grad school
Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:54 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:54 pm to LuckyTiger
Good for you! I had a similar experience with my first year law skills professor. I got the low pass both semesters. I advocated for a review of my professor’s grading and was denied. When I did my tax LLM, I got an A+ in the equivalent tax class.
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Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:56 pm to TBoy
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For everyone in the program, their privilege includes intellectual and educational success, which carries weight other people in their general demographic don’t necessarily enjoy.
Exactly. As an applied scientist, I run into academic privilege all the time. That is, people give credence to a person's credentials rather than actually testing what they are saying. "Oh, I asked Bill, he has a PhD, so he knows what he's talking about." doesn't fly with me, Bill has to prove it (or at least what he says should be tested before I accept it).
Posted on 9/18/19 at 3:57 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
The problem is people falsely attributing statistical outcomes due to racial privileges when a deeper dive into the analysis shows that correlation is not causation. The disparities between whites and blacks completely disappear when one factor is isolated: single parent households. Single parent households behave the exact same regardless of race. However, African American households make up a disparate percentage of total single parent households relative to their total population, but the percentage of white single parent households is increasing.
The reality is that behavior (raising children out of wedlock) drives the disparity not race. However, it is much more politically expedient to blame race than behavior. This allows one to craft a boogie man and stoke tribalist fears to keep people loyal to one political party over another. Because the media and academia are loyal to that same political party, they continue to push that expedient narrative.
The reality is that behavior (raising children out of wedlock) drives the disparity not race. However, it is much more politically expedient to blame race than behavior. This allows one to craft a boogie man and stoke tribalist fears to keep people loyal to one political party over another. Because the media and academia are loyal to that same political party, they continue to push that expedient narrative.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:02 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
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Can’t we all admit Baton Rouge would be better off in the long run if we built recreational facilities (included many for children only) throughout North BR and stationed cops there.
And can't we all admit there's a problem with a community itself, not the effect of systemic racism or whatever bs reason people can come up with when you have to station cops at parks?
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:03 pm to kingbob
I agree with a lot of that, but I think a lot more factors are relevant than single parenting. I think the role of access to safe play spaces and quality education need to be examined, just for starters. Racism is dying the death it deserves, but we’ll never actually move forward as a society if these divisions are continually, and unnecessarily, stoked
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:03 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
I don’t agree. North Baton Rouge has vastly superior parks, sidewalks, drainage, road grid, public transportation, libraries, etc when compared to the affluent areas on the south side of the city. The reason North Baton Rouge is undesirable is due to crime and only crime.
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There’s a couple neighborhoods near Exxon and north of the airport that are undesirable due to the smells coming from the Refinery, Chemical Plants, PaperbMill, and Landfills, but that is not the case for the vast majority of North BR that doesn’t stink.
ETA:
There’s a couple neighborhoods near Exxon and north of the airport that are undesirable due to the smells coming from the Refinery, Chemical Plants, PaperbMill, and Landfills, but that is not the case for the vast majority of North BR that doesn’t stink.
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:05 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
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faulty reasoning
There's no "faulty reasoning" behind the fact that people are attracted to attractive people (it's a tautology, not a fallacy), and insofar as having people attracted you you gives you certain privilege, it follows necessarily that being attractive gives you certain privilege.
Tall people get paid more, on average. Are they worth it? Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Do they always get paid more than non-tall people? No.
That said, you could have the worst halitosis in the world, and when you open your mouth, people think you just shite your pants. That would work against your privilege as you repel them just after you've attracted them. So privilege isn't absolute, but it works to give people advantages others might not have - but who may possess other privileges that give them advantages you might not have.
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I am annoyed
Try to let that go. You'll do better academically as well as psychologically. It's not about you, they don't know you.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:05 pm to lsu1919
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And can't we all admit there's a problem with a community itself, not the effect of systemic racism or whatever bs reason people can come up with when you have to station cops at parks?
Issues within communities are worth looking at, but it’s just intellectual masturbation unless you you focus on ways to mitigate those issues. The black community may have issues with criminality, but we can’t just conclude it’s a part of being black. There are very safe black neighborhoods and very dangerous ones. How do we get more communities on the safe side? That’s the important question, IMHO.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:07 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
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the less fortunate
How big is this group compared to the less motivated? The less tenacious? The less driven. etc?
Don't fall for the less fortunate stuff. Sure, fortune has some victims but the lack of motivation kills more.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:09 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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There's no "faulty reasoning" behind the fact that people are attracted to attractive people (it's a tautology, not a fallacy), and insofar as having people attracted you you gives you certain privilege, it follows necessarily that being attractive gives you certain privilege.
You’re obfuscating the point- that reasoning from general to specific as it pertains to privilege is illogical.
Secondly, why is it anyone’s business to go around bringing up people’s privilege? I don’t say, “but what if you were transgendered?” to people sharing their societal experience. I don’t walk past someone struggling up stairs and say “think about your privilege over amputees.” It’s rude and intellectually lazy.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:14 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
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It’s rude and intellectually lazy.
In conversation and interaction, you are correct.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:14 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
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When I did my tax LLM, I got an A+ in the equivalent tax class.
Did you find your professors in the tax program to be less political than in jd? I can't really recall any of my tax professors getting into politics much, but you could tell some by their stances on policies discussed.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:17 pm to jchamil
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Did you find your professors in the tax program to be less political than in jd? I can't really recall any of my tax professors getting into politics much, but you could tell some by their stances on policies discussed.
Much less overtly political. Pretty much all didn’t really reveal their politics, but their common sense and analytic nature probably results in a common-sense conservative bent. I only worked with one tax lawyer who was a liberal in my entire career- as liberal as he was, he was all about paying pathetic wages when the job market dictated he could get away with it.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:20 pm to jchamil
Not addressed to me but...
I only took Fed income tax class in law school and the professor was above all practical and dry as unbuttered toast.
I only took Fed income tax class in law school and the professor was above all practical and dry as unbuttered toast.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:30 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
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I only worked with one tax lawyer who was a liberal in my entire career- as liberal as he was, he was all about paying pathetic wages when the job market dictated he could get away with it.
There was only one professor in my tax program who I knew was liberal, but I never had him for a class. My roommate all through jd/llm is a liberal tax lawyer
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:30 pm to MarinaTigerEsq
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Secondly, why is it anyone’s business to go around bringing up people’s privilege?
I think this is often done when people without a certain privilege feel that someone with that privilege takes it for granted, or takes personal credit for what they may see as having simply been gained through privilege.
Christians used to practice what was known as, "humility". That is, they took no personal responsibility for their own good fortune, but instead attributed it to God. Pridefulness was a sin. It was a privilege to be blessed by God, and they recognized that and wanted to share that privilege with non-believers thorough evangelism and conversion.
But again, you asked for advice on how to cope with people of different philosophies in an academic setting. Show humility, try to understand. You're not there because you already know everything, you're there to learn what you don't know. You're not there to prove anything to anybody. Don't judge people, even when they judge you, try to understand them and see if there's some kernel of truth in what they're saying. There may be, there may not be, but you won't know until you try to understand. It may take years for you to find the retrospect necessary to understand. That's why it's important to keep an open mind, even when you think everyone around you has a closed mind - no, ESPECIALLY when you think everyone around you has a closed mind.
I firmly believe that humility promotes learning. And after all, that's what you're there for.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:31 pm to LuckyTiger
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I only took Fed income tax class in law school and the professor was above all practical and dry as unbuttered toast.
That’s pretty much my personality. Now imagine one of those professors making a valid legal point of social concern, and a student responding by questioning his privilege. Lol
This post was edited on 9/18/19 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:32 pm to kingbob
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people falsely attributing statistical outcomes due to racial privileges when a deeper dive into the analysis shows that correlation is not causation.
Yep, sometimes. And sometimes there is causation.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:34 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But again, you asked for advice on how to cope with people of different philosophies in an academic setting. Show humility, try to understand. You're not there because you already know everything, you're there to learn what you don't know. You're not there to prove anything to anybody. Don't judge people, even when they judge you, try to understand them and see if there's some kernel of truth in what they're saying. There may be, there may not be, but you won't know until you try to understand. It may take years for you to find the retrospect necessary to understand. That's why it's important to keep an open mind, even when you think everyone around you has a closed mind - no, ESPECIALLY when you think everyone around you has a closed mind.
I disagree with you, but I want to let you know I really appreciate your respectful tone and thoughtful responses.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 4:36 pm to jchamil
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. My roommate all through jd/llm is a liberal tax lawyer
Interesting. Does he/she work for government? I always stuck religiously to the private sector, and I wonder if maybe that could be a relevant difference.
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