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Conservatism has a really bright future if you think about it

Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:49 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:49 pm
Lets look at the following factors:

1. How universities currently operate vs the trend of university operation

2. Demographics


UNIVERSITIES

1. The traditional university as we know it is slowly dying to online learning which is bound to, at some point in the near future, cause a colossal reduction in university funding to maintain a physical campus. Not only that, students will spend less time with the "college experience" most of us experienced ourselves. There will be no liberal indoctrination cult-like experience anymore. More students will live at home to save costs and the social norms typical of a college campus will never be experienced.

On TOP of that, with the millennial student debt and slow career development, universities are going to struggle for funding bigly after the boomers retire out. Millennials simply arent donating to universities like previous generations did...because they dont have the money and they're in debt.

Then we look at degree programs...as university funding begins to move to online learning and people see the fruits of a liberal arts degree in 2020, do you honestly think there's going to be a large effort to bolster the sociology, english, etc. liberal arts degrees if no one is partaking in those courses? Even if they somehow manage to get charitable funding, eventually the costs will take their toll. Millennials are also more likely to give money to causes like LBGTQ, BLM type stuff and avoid institutions like universities.

I also think we'll see more and more students opt out of the 4 year college experience and head to a 2-year trade school or maybe even head straight into the work force and take online courses as they go. The financial trade-off of college is pretty well known at this point and I think people are going to have to take a more serious approach to what their career path will be.

I think we've seen the "just go to college and youll make it" bubble burst. Too many stories out there that prove college isnt a golden ticket and in many cases completely unnecessary.


2. Demographics

What do we all know about people as they age? They become more conservative. Its always been true historically.

Also, we know people who have children lean conservative on average. Millennials are just now getting around to becoming parents, granted its taking longer than previous generations, but its slowly happening and you can expect a slight millennial shift to conservative over time as well.


In addition, we all know liberals are very ANTI-child and much more likely NOT to have children. So you'll avoid the parental indoctrination altogether with that sub-group, which is a large bulk of who we're seeing on the streets in these riots, and storming DC every time Trump breathes the wrong way.


So in essence, the organic forces of our world are truly sliding conservative. The left is scratching and clawing to own the moment now and take control of the story, but they can't stop the forces that arise organically.


tl;dr

People are going to become more conservative as they age, have kids, etc. and universities won't have near the cultural influence they have experienced over the last half century due to college costs, selected fields of study, and the advent of online turning as a tool to reduce costs.

Also, I think social media will have a come to jesus moment. Its proving quite unhealthy and downright dangerous the way its used in present day. So there's no way the current social media influence will last long term.
Posted by Jeb Busch Lite
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:51 pm to
I think you’re letting your (and most of our hopes) cloud your judgement. I’m 22 and this shite is depressing. I’m scared of where this country will be when I start a family, and I don’t mean that to come across as over dramatic fear porn
Posted by Bass Tiger
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:51 pm to
We can only hope and pray you’re analysis is correct.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:53 pm to
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I think you’re letting your (and most of our hopes) cloud your judgement. I



Not at all. This is unsustainable. Also, look at the cities and the chaos that is about to ensue. As people flock from cities their voting patterns and priorities are most definitely going to change.

People are not going to continue to flock to LA/NYC etc. These places cannot contain the madness and its unfeasible for most people to live in such expensive places and you wouldn't raise children in these places.


Stop freaking out about the left throwing a huge activist temper tantrum. It's quite temporary.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 11:55 pm
Posted by JustLivinTheDream
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:54 pm to
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Not at all. This is unsustainable.


Socialists believe the United States is too big to fail. And they will put that to the test if allowed.
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:54 pm to
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tiggerthetooth


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Posted by Jeb Busch Lite
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:57 pm to
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As people flock from cities their voting patterns and priorities are most definitely going to change.


I hope you’re right, but I disagree. We are only a couple of left wing presidents away from Texas becoming a legitimate battle ground state. You already see traditionally conservative leaning states like Virginia and North Carolina either there or headed that way
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 11:58 pm
Posted by Brosef Stalin
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:58 pm to
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People are not going to continue to flock to LA/NYC etc

People go where the jobs are, which is the big cities. That isn't changing.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 11:58 pm to
You're only right if you're speaking in terms of Spenglerian cycles

And I'd rather not have 70 years of the United States of Soviet Socialist America to prove you're right
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:00 am to
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Socialists believe the United States is too big to fail. And they will put that to the test if allowed.



Stop letting the media and "influencers"/activists make you think people actually buy their trash and that their movement is bigger than it really is. Just turn it off. That's another thing that needs to change. People haven't totally learned how to responsibly interact with technology in healthy ways. We're too oversaturated and it's due for a correction.

The natural path of humans and their interactions is conservative.


Do you know any people that act lefty but vote conservative? No, but I know a ton of people who behave conservative and vote lefty...conservative behavior wins by default.

Posted by DandA
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:02 am to
Don't underestimate the current generation of high school aged kids, and soon to be voters, coming up and seeing this nonsense every day. My evidence is purely anecdotal, but there are some solid conservative values that these young kids have despite the attempts at progressive brainwashing in schools.

Im not 100% sure just yet whether it's actual conservative principles they truly believe, or if they are "rebelling" against the vocal minority and what the media/academic leaders are preaching. Kinda like believing the opposite of what they are taught to believe. The next "frick you, i won't do what you tell me" generation, but in the right's favor.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:02 am to
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People go where the jobs are, which is the big cities. That isn't changing.



With more remote work it will definitely change indeed. Not to mention it helps "climate change".

It's less exposure to cosmopolitan degeneracy and more exposure to simple more rural/suburban life. Where living is cheaper, you have space to move and do things.
Posted by Jeb Busch Lite
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:03 am to
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Do you know any people that act lefty but vote conservative? No, but I know a ton of people who behave conservative and vote left


To be fair, doesn’t this completely go against your argument? That’s exactly what I’m saying. Liberalism and it’s right hand man that is the main stream media has a death grip on this country. And the worst thing about it is 75% of people either don’t realize it or don’t want to acknowledge it
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:09 am to
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To be fair, doesn’t this completely go against your argument?


No, because it protects against the crazy left we're seeing. These people will vote left as long as its largely out of sight and mind (as most leftists do). They get to feel good with their vote and move on.

The crazy left wouldn't allowed them to walk away out of sight&mind.


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Liberalism and it’s right hand man that is the main stream media has a death grip on this country. And the worst thing about it is 75% of people either don’t realize it or don’t want to acknowledge it



Most people only agree with general things the media says. Notice how BLM and such never get into the specifics of what exactly things like "justice" even look like?

Notice how they cant ever say what they really want out loud?

We all know if the left took full control and did what they want policy-wise people would be rioting in a week.
Posted by JesusQuintana
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:09 am to
I don’t know what signs you are seeing of social media influence slowing down? That seems like overly wishful thinking.

That being said, if Facebook were no longer used as a political vessel it would be just as harmful to conservative ideals as liberal. In fact, social media is far more balanced in terms of both messages than traditional media. Far more
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:15 am to
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I don’t know what signs you are seeing of social media influence slowing down? That seems like overly wishful thinking.


I think the general out of control behavior it causes and the effect it has on young people will force parents/educators etc., to draw a line. Just wait until the developmental studies start coming out.

There's already studies out there showing female cutting/suicide rates have increases basically since social media started.


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That being said, if Facebook were no longer used as a political vessel it would be just as harmful to conservative ideals as liberal.


Conservatism doesnt need to preach a message, as its naturally what people default towards in order to survive. Leftism requires extensive explanation/manipulation/conditioning. Leftism wouldn't exist without massive amounts of conditioning, at least the current form. They need social media, Hollywood, etc. conservatism does not. Conservatism is largely common sense.

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In fact, social media is far more balanced in terms of both messages than traditional media. Far more



I agree. I just think people will approach social media with less obsession and reactionary behavior, not just from a truth standpoint, but also a mental health standpoint.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 12:22 am
Posted by JesusQuintana
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:17 am to
We’ll see. I certainly disagree. In fact, I think it will become more prevalent despite all of its numerous downfalls.

Posted by JustLivinTheDream
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:23 am to
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I just think people will approach social media with less obsession and reactionary behavior


Social media is a full blown addiction. People know how bad it is and can't put it down. Kids are force fed liberal bullshite at such an early age now that I don't see there ever being any real pushback against social media because people need a platform to express their wokeness.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:26 am to
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We’ll see. I certainly disagree. In fact, I think it will become more prevalent despite all of its numerous downfalls.



All I know is even some big boys in tech have thoroughly discussed social media and its negative effects on the youth.

Not only that, if you read up you'll find a lot of the founders of these social media apps do not allow their children to use said apps.


Steve Jobs wouldn't let his kids use iPads.

These people in tech know theres something off about it, but it's all still so new that we have yet to see long term psychological outcomes.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:32 am to
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This is where conservatism falls flat. They argue for muh free markets muh private company as those companies wreck society.



The free choices of individuals to consume these apps is the real problem. People need to recognize the effects or suffer the consequences, and people will see those who suffer the consequences and adapt accordingly.


It's not Jack Dorsey's job to tell you it's a bad idea to be on Twitter 8 hours a day or to put all your personal information on it.


That's on you. Maybe consumers should reward more benevolent creations with their capital.
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