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re: Conservatism doesn’t always equal Christianity
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:58 pm to Revelator
Posted on 3/3/21 at 3:58 pm to Revelator
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Apparently you don’t believe that Jesus can provide you with a job that’s also a missionary field?
Nope, Matthew 10:14 is clear. Try and share the Gospel, if you're rejected go onto someone else.
You'll quickly run out of people remaining within your own workplace and community.
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:01 pm to Revelator
My view is our politics are part of our free will that God graced us with. What we do with it is up to us.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:05 pm to Azkiger
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You'll quickly run out of people remaining within your own workplace and community.
My work place has numerous contract workers and vendors who are constantly changing, plus we get lots of new employees.
Should Christians all quit their jobs, do witnessing round the clock, and simply rely on the benevolence of others to feed and clothe them?
Ive never heard one preacher ever advocate against a 40 hour work week to support ones family. That’s just weird.
Do you work?
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:16 pm to Flats
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I don't know why anybody would care what you think (maybe that's a typo?) but the second half of that is my entire point. People who claim that their morality is based on logic are claiming an objective standard that doesn't exist. You can't use logic and logic alone to derive a moral code. It can't be done.
An objective moral standard does indeed exist. Evidence for its existence is rampant throughout history. Hammurabi's code, the ten commandments, Hindu moral codes. They all have commonalities that dictate that we recognize that cultures across the world and across history have determined that - at a basic level - a set of moral standards leads to a more orderly and prosperous society. This is the simple empirical evidence. Societies that depart from this fail, or never get past the stage of hunter-gatherers.
We can indeed develop a moral code from logic. Like Aristotle, we can observe empirical evidence and deduce or infer logical patterns within moral codes. We can ground these moral codes in the assertion that there is a source of these morals outside of mankind that is the source.
If you remove the source, however, you're simply removing the objectivity of moral standards. And a result, as such, is that atheist who want to argue objective morality fail. As a second result, atheists who argue that morality is subjective (meaning it's whatever we please) then undercut their ability to logically dictate their morals to anyone else.
You cannot have your objective moral cake and deny God. It does not work.
This hangover even affects the abortion movement - they argue that a fetus is not a life because they KNOW that murder is wrong. They instead argue that abortion is NOT murder because a fetus is not a human life, and ergo not murder.
This contorted view of morality is what you see with the vestiges of liberal moral idiocy.
If morality were truly subjective, liberals would simply say that yes, abortion is murder, but in this case it's okay because X,Y and Z.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:17 pm to Revelator
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My work place has numerous contract workers and vendors who are constantly changing, plus we get lots of new employees.
Alright man, you're the exception. Ignore your 401k and well manicured yard and you're essentially a modern day disciple. quote:
Should Christians all quit their jobs, do witnessing round the clock, and simply rely on the benevolence of others to feed and clothe them?
Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
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Ive never heard one preacher ever advocate against a 40 hour work week to support ones family. That’s just weird.
I've also never heard one preacher explain why the copious amounts of consumerism Christians wallow in in Western Societies is more important that saving souls. Yet look at the state of 21st Christians. Forget the gays, if I were the devil I'd tie up Christians with prosperity.
Working less and not participating in said consumerism would free up more time for preaching the gospel, or busting arse and not participating in said consumerism would free up lots of money to fund others to preach the gospel full time.
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Do you work?
Yep, 40-45 hours a week.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:21 pm to T1
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"Putting forth an argument is indeed a form of attack."
Agree, we can try to persuade, but we should not persuade through violence.
Okay. Acquiescing to evil is not peaceful, nor is not acquiescing a form of violence, at least as it was defined pre-Obama.
"Silence is violence" is a liberal trope devoid of any logical meaning.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:21 pm to Azkiger
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40-45 hours a week.
So all your talk about not working and just witnessing was theoretical? You are obviously simply trying to be contrarian.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:24 pm to Revelator
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So all your talk about not working and just witnessing was theoretical?
I said the following in my first post in this thread, a post you responded too:
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My wife prays (pun) I don't go back to Christianity for if I did I'd be going overseas and spending as much money and time as I could to spread the gospel.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:30 pm to Azkiger
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I said the following in my first post in this thread, a post you responded too:
I can’t keep track of everything said in this thread and who it was posted by.
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My wife prays (pun) I don't go back to Christianity for if I did I'd be going overseas and spending as much money and time as I could to spread the gospel.
So a former Christian wanting to teach Christians how to behave.
Got ya.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:40 pm to Revelator
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So a former Christian wanting to teach Christians how to behave.
Got ya.
Makes about as much sense as a former alcoholic wanting to give advice to alcoholics huh?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:43 pm to Azkiger
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Makes about as much sense as a former alcoholic wanting to give advice to alcoholics huh?
Not at all. In your example above, the ex alcoholic could offer some real life experiences that might actually help someone.
Why would I want to take spiritual advice from an admitted apostate?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:50 pm to Revelator
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Why would I want to take spiritual advice from an admitted apostate?
I wasn't aware that had any bearing on whether I'm saying true or false things.
Truth be told I'm quite content with you not even being close to speading the Gospel as effectively as you could be.
Edit: I'd also like to point out the irony here.
Atheist: Christians should preach the gospel more.
Christian: Nope. And why should I take advice from an atheist anyways?
Atheist: lol ok. Don't preach the gospel more...
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:50 pm to Revelator
Being conservative RARELY equals Christianity.
Jesus, if he existed, was about as communist as they come. Like... his teachings embody the very definition of communism.
For some reason the Bible thumping good ole boys think otherwise.
Jesus, if he existed, was about as communist as they come. Like... his teachings embody the very definition of communism.
For some reason the Bible thumping good ole boys think otherwise.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:55 pm to Azkiger
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I wasn't aware that had any bearing on whether I'm saying true or false things.
It wouldn’t if you were talking about secular things, but you are offering spiritual advice. You’ve already admitted to walking away from Christ and by your own admission, no longer have fellowship with the Holy Spirit. Why would I trust your advice ?
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Christian: Nope. And why should I take advice from an atheist anyways? Atheist: lol ok. Don't preach the gospel more...
This is a mischaracterization of what you posted. You said a Christian should quit his job and devote every hour to winning souls.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 4:58 pm to MJforPrez
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Jesus, if he existed, was about as communist as they come. Like... his teachings embody the very definition of communism.
False. The first teaching of communism is there is no real God and the state is God.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 5:03 pm to Revelator
"I don't care what you have to say. But I care enough what your answer is to this specific question so much I'll ask it twice."
Posted on 3/3/21 at 5:08 pm to Azkiger
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"I don't care what you have to say. But I care enough what your answer is to this specific question so much I'll ask it twice
I was simply asking for clarification. I don’t desire spiritual advice from an apostate.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 5:16 pm to Revelator
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I don’t desire spiritual advice from an apostate.
How about explaining how what I've said is wrong?
Posted on 3/3/21 at 5:39 pm to BiteMe2020
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You cannot have your objective moral cake and deny God. It does not work.
That you said that proves you don't understand what I'm saying. But that's ok.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 5:47 pm to Flats
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It's like saying you can use logic to prove that pink is prettier than blue.
True. That said, a perfect deity also doesn't grant you the ability to do that via divine inspiration either.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 5:49 pm
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