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re: Conservatism doesn’t always equal Christianity
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:24 am to Revelator
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:24 am to Revelator
I am a one-issue conservative. I am opposed to abortion. Abortion is the taking of human life. Only God can do that. Yep, snickering libtards there is a God.
My Dad was a democrat all the way, but even he came to realize his democrat party had abandoned him. Having said that, any party that advocates and funds the killing of innocent babies is not your friend. As far as the democrat party today, you are just a listing on a voter roll.
My Dad was a democrat all the way, but even he came to realize his democrat party had abandoned him. Having said that, any party that advocates and funds the killing of innocent babies is not your friend. As far as the democrat party today, you are just a listing on a voter roll.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 11:25 am
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Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:24 am to Revelator
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Well he did tell his followers to obey laws and pay taxes, so that goes beyond what you posted.
Yep. Render unto Caesar, and unto the Lord.
Also, while it's clear that Jesus put God's law above man's law (i.e. in the Temple) - he was not an anarchist, liberal or libertarian, lol. He did in fact condemn sin, directly to its face.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:24 am to Revelator
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God’s law supersedes man’s law. A case could be made by those on the Left that manmade borders are just that, manmade. I’m playing Devil’s advocate here.
The case could also be made that God expressly called for border control in His dealings with the Jews in Israel in the Old Testament. Mingling with pagans and integrating their ways into Jewish society led to the downfall of that nation.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:25 am to T1
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Democrats may have begun taking this role on through government intervention because Christians dropped the ball?
Holy shite I hope this was sarcasm. Dems use immigrants and the poor for votes and intend on keeping them poor so they stay on the government tit.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:26 am to GeauxTigerTM
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My beliefs that place me on the right are all derived from logical positions that have nothing to do with there being a god or not.
Which logical positions are those?
I bet at the end of the day, your atheism can't back up those logical positions at all.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:27 am to AggieHank86
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Christian deist.
No offense to you or Thomas Jefferson, but there is no such thing as a Christian who denies the divine nature of Christ, any more than there are square circles or talking cows.
That's a heresy.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 11:28 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:28 am to Revelator
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I didn’t say that.
I said he mentioned the Roman government and earthly rulers and kingdoms often
Correct. Therefore, they can not show in the Bible that Jesus said for a nation to take anybody and everybody in.
Here is the truth. The truth is that the left has been demanding that Gov become God and take over the role of the church.
Example:
- Welfare state. At some point, Churches stopped performing duties of the church in respect to helping the needy in their local areas.
The Gov took on those responsibilities.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:28 am to GeauxTigerTM
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C'mon man...are you trying to derail the thread by attempting to suggest that my morality can not be logically based?
Words of the day in this thread...common ground.
It’s not a derail, it’s an observation and common ground. Everybody has subjective values, and we use logic to further those values. Theists, atheists, deists, everybody.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:30 am to Azkiger
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Most Christians in America are more concerned with various political issues than they are with saving souls. The same goes for working 40hrs and paying for homes, cars, vacations, etc. The same goes for hobbies.
While I do agree, more time should be spent soul winning by every Christian, Jesus didn’t call everyone around him to simply quit their jobs and follow him, though he did with the disciples.
In fact, Jesus relied on the generosity of workers to facilitate his ministry.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:31 am to BiteMe2020
quote:And I mean to disrespect to you in observing that “Christian Deist” is the accepted term in the litetature for a person who follows Jesus’ moral teachings but rejects the notion of divinity.
No offense to you or Thomas Jefferson, but there is no such thing as a Christian who denies the divine nature of Christ, any more than there are square circles or talking cows.
What term would you use?
Heck, the Arians were one of the largest branches of pre-Niccean Christianity, and they were VERY similar to later Christian Deists.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 11:34 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:31 am to Revelator
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Conservatism doesn’t always equal Christianity
Agreed but most social conservative values start from Bible morals. Atheists are usually leftist while agnostic seems to at least be partially right. As far as fiscal that shouldn't make a difference. If your feelings rule over the facts then someone will always be marginalized and making others pay the government with the expectation to take care of those marginalized will exist regardless of religious affiliation.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:32 am to Zarkinletch416
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Yep, snickering libtards there is a God.
Again...you don't have to be a "libtard" to not believe there are gods. There are quite a few guys here firmly on the right who openly call themselves atheists. You do not have to be religious in any way to align with conservative values...and it would be great if more on the right would realize and accept this so us not to push as out of the tent even further.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:33 am to BiteMe2020
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Read your Bible more.
Post less.
Paul is not Jesus. That's first.
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Paul addressed this. Unless you think that Paul's letters are not an important part of the New Testament.
Paul addressed what exactly?/
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:35 am to Revelator
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Well he did tell his followers to obey laws and pay taxes, so that goes beyond what you posted.
Not in the context you are suggesting. He simply stated obey the laws of the land.
What you are suggesting is that directives to Christians was a directive to Government.
He never did that. Never stated that.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:35 am to themunch
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Acknowledge
is the emphasis.
Correct.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:36 am to AggieHank86
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aAnd I mean to disrespect to you in observing that “Christian Deist” is the accepted term in the litetature for a person who follows Jesus’ moral teachings but rejects the notion of divinity.
What term would you use?
Sure, no disrespect taken. I'd just call them a Deist. A Deist that thought Jesus was a great moral teacher, perhaps a prophet, but nothing more.
A Christian will recognize the divine nature of Jesus. Not that Jesus was entirely divine - that is a different flavor of heresy.
With respect to the navel gazers who use that term, they're simply wrong.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 11:37 am
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:39 am to Revelator
There are no Christians. We are the ones failing God not the democrats!
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:40 am to Revelator
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A case could be made by those on the Left that manmade borders are just that, manmade.
I’m playing Devil’s advocate here.
Again, no they can't. You, yourself, just pointed out that Jesus acknowledged nation states and those nation states had borders.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:45 am to BiteMe2020
quote:Well, Deists don’t really accept the notion of “prophets” either, but we do need a term to distinguish these folks from traditional deists, or conversation gets ridiculiusly awkward (with a 20-word description rather than a handy label).
Sure, no disrespect taken. I'd just call them a Deist. A Deist that thought Jesus was a great moral teacher, perhaps a prophet, but nothing more.
Can we use chritian Deist, with no capitalization? Nazarene Deism? Yeshuan Deism?
It really seems pedantic, when you are already distinguishing Traditiobal Christian, but I try not to get wrapoed around the axle over meaningless semantics.
Posted on 3/3/21 at 11:47 am to T1
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Agree. Jesus didn't talk much about politics.
In the context of the time. This is pretty political.
Probably should have said it's political in the calling out of the hypocrisy of the rulers.
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5 “Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
This post was edited on 3/3/21 at 11:52 am
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