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re: Climate change means nearly all glaciers in the Alps may disappear
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:07 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:07 pm to Ace Midnight
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Remember when they told us in the 1970s that we were basically "out" of oil?
Good times...
I had teachers in the mid 90s tell us we’ll have exhausted all fossil fuels in 30 years. That was over 20 years ago and we haven’t slowed down production
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Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:13 pm to Ace Midnight
Also from the 1970s
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:16 pm to GumboPot
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I would hypothesize that the "build up" is a function of heat capacity that coincidentally behaves in a logarithmic manner as a function of temperature.
Forcing isn't going to be a function of heat capacity. It cares about a molecules structure to absorb a section of IR radiation, vibrate, and reemit it. It doesn't depend on how warm it is.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:21 pm to GumboPot
There have been reports recently that Iceland's huge Vatnajökull, at 3,100 square miles the largest glacier in Europe, will be in 2080 completely melted and simply nothing more than a vast, high altitude inland lake.
It seems as if nothing we can do will reverse the irrevocability of earth-transforming manmade global warming.
It seems as if nothing we can do will reverse the irrevocability of earth-transforming manmade global warming.
This post was edited on 4/9/19 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:25 pm to tarzana
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It seems as if nothing we can do will reverse the irrevocability of earth-transforming manmade global warming
Theres plenty we can do. Part of it will be adaptation to the warmer climate. Some of it will be carbon capture. Some will be utilizing a basket of energy sources. Improved catalysts for industrial processes. GMOs that require less water and fertilizer to grow.
It's a technological challenge and an adaptation one.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:34 pm to Duke
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GMOs that require less water
It's a big problem that the concept of "GMOs" is frightening and menacing to so many people. In reality virtually all marketable produce is the end result of some degree of GMO, from wheat to watermelons to tomatos and potatoes. The ur-form of any of these crops is not very appealing, if even edible.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:42 pm to GumboPot
One of the largest scams ever perpetrated on a global scale. Lots of "climate experts" have become very wealthy selling indecipherable gobbly goop to their devoted dupes and lemmings.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:43 pm to Duke
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GMOs that require less water and fertilizer to grow.
You know what helps plants become drought resistant, require less water and use less fertilizer?
CO2.
I am not kidding. CO2 enrichment is a thing for greenhouse farmers. In fact there are some microbrewers/distillers/wine makers that pipe their fermentation gases (which is CO2) to recycle in adjacent greenhouses. I was just in Napa and Silver Oak (which is actually in Alexander Valley) pipes their fermentation gases to the vineyards. IDK if it works but theoretically it should since CO2 is the most dense constituent in the air and it should stick to the ground for plant food if it's not too windy.
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Part of it will be adaptation to the warmer climate.
I really believe we will get cooler before we get warmer. The sun is on the verge of taking a siesta just like she did in the 19th century.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:46 pm to tarzana
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It's a big problem that the concept of "GMOs" is frightening and menacing to so many people.
IMO the biggest issue with GMO's are glyphosate resistant GMOs. That is how glyphosate is found in our food. Not good IMO.
But GMOs for drought resistance, less fertilizer, pest resistance, etc. seem perfectly fine.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:49 pm to GumboPot
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CO2.
I am not kidding. CO2 enrichment is a thing for greenhouse farmers.
I know you're not. I'm not denying that it is helpful to plants. Photosynthesis and all that.
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IDK if it works but theoretically it should since CO2 is the most dense constituent in the air and it should stick to the ground for plant food if it's not too windy
Can't hurt. It'll eventually mix out from your normal convective processes but raising the concentration locally for plants is a pretty clever idea for that waste product.
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I really believe we will get cooler before we get warmer. The sun is on the verge of taking a siesta just like she did in the 19th century
It's not going to have us get cooler, the energy coming in isn't changing that much. It'll slow the pace though, which would be welcomed.
More time to tax all those dirty HCs you pull out of the ground.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 1:59 pm to Duke
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It's not going to have us get cooler, the energy coming in isn't changing that much. It'll slow the pace though, which would be welcomed.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:05 pm to NC_Tigah
Yes, I'm aware orbital variations, solar cycles, changes in ocean currents, volcanoes, space rocks, and changes in atmospheric composition have changed the climate drastically over history.
This coming minimum and next solar cycles though, as it is predicted, should only serve to slow the current rate of warming.
This coming minimum and next solar cycles though, as it is predicted, should only serve to slow the current rate of warming.
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:08 pm to GumboPot
Muh Hockeystick
Posted on 4/9/19 at 2:10 pm to VoxDawg
The global pattern is simply changing again and always will. Deserts will become forests again and vice versa.The change will be constant and infinite.
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