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re: Chromosome Study: All Men Can Be Traced to One Man
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:55 am to heatom2
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:55 am to heatom2
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Despite their overlap in time, ancient "Adam" and ancient "Eve" probably didn't even live near each other, let alone mate. [The 10 Biggest Mysteries of the First Humans]
"Those two people didn't know each other," said Melissa Wilson Sayres, a geneticist at the University of California, Berkeley, who was not involved in the study.
I have some questions.
1. What do they base this statement that this man and woman probably didn't know each other or mate?
2. If they did not mate, then where is DNA of those they mated with? If this woman is actually the "Eve", then she mated with some guy. Where is his DNA. As for the "Adam" in this story, where is the DNA of the woman he impregnated? Why was her DNA not passed down?
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Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:07 am to KCT
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:19 am to JakeTheDog
What I'm wanting to know is where the first cell came from? Did whatever we came from, as the evolutionist can't explain, develop a brain first that told the body it needed a heart? And how did a brain work without having a heart to beat blood and oxygen to it. How did it know that there would need to be male and female to reproduce? If you just look at the complexity of our own bodies, how can you deny a Creator?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:22 am to Lg
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Did whatever we came from, as the evolutionist can't explain, develop a brain first that told the body it needed a heart? And how did a brain work without having a heart to beat blood and oxygen to it. How did it know that there would need to be male and female to reproduce?
O
M
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we are starting from scratch here
or did I just take the bait?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:32 am to KCT
doesn't science also claim that the belief that an entire species can come from one set of mates is impossible. A species that is down to it's last two species can't possibly survive.
Note: yes a Catholics is saying that it isn't possible that every single human person came from one set of parents. I still believe in monogenism but this is a much more complex theological argument that I don't want go get into.
Note: yes a Catholics is saying that it isn't possible that every single human person came from one set of parents. I still believe in monogenism but this is a much more complex theological argument that I don't want go get into.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:35 am to The Calvin
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WAS IT ADAM
do you understand the etymology of Adam?
in hebrew for haadam is the man (which the word used by the author of Genesis 1) and the word for ground is adamah which means ground. By using the word haadam he and connecting it to adamah he is trying to prove that Adam comes from the ground he is a material object. I don't believe in any way that the real first parent had to be named Adam. Rather it is a literary technique to point out that man is a composition of Body and Soul, he is natural and God has given a supernatural sprit or soul.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:45 am to catholictigerfan
I think JaketheDog raises some excellent questions. If these two people were mating with other people, where is the DNA of those people?
It's a pretty straightforward question. But please, save me the responses like, "OMG" or "you have cousins, right?" if you can't explain something, just say you don't know. The dirty little secrets is, nobody knows all the answers.
It's a pretty straightforward question. But please, save me the responses like, "OMG" or "you have cousins, right?" if you can't explain something, just say you don't know. The dirty little secrets is, nobody knows all the answers.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:46 am to JakeTheDog
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1. What do they base this statement that this man and woman probably didn't know each other or mate?
Because:
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all males in their global sample shared a single male ancestor in Africa roughly 125,000 to 156,000 years ago.
quote:All they have done is narrowed it down to a 31,000 year window for the male, and a different 49,000 year window for the female, with a 23,000 year overlap window. Even if everyone alive at the same time somehow knew everyone else who was alive, the chance of them being alive at the same time is very slim.
all women on the planet trace back to a mitochondrial Eve, who lived in Africa between 99,000 and 148,000 years ago — almost the same time period during which the Y-chromosome Adam lived.
quote:It was. As the article states, all of our DNA is littered with "snippets" of DNA from all of our ancestors. All they have done is measured the difference between the two least related groups of people alive today, and calculated how long ago their common ancestors might have lived.
2. If they did not mate, then where is DNA of those they mated with? If this woman is actually the "Eve", then she mated with some guy. Where is his DNA. As for the "Adam" in this story, where is the DNA of the woman he impregnated? Why was her DNA not passed down?
As I've done already, the simple example is this: you know we can tell if two people are siblings, or father-son, or whatever by looking at their DNA, right? All they do is compare certain similarities and differences between two people. DNA tells us how closely related two people are. By comparing two "unrelated" people, the same technique can be used to estimate how many generations back they actually do have a common ancestor.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:50 am to KCT
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If these two people were mating with other people, where is the DNA of those people?
OK, for the last time: IT'S IN THE GODDAMN ARTICLE.
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The rest of the human genome contains tiny snippets of DNA from many other ancestors — they just don't show up in mitochondrial or Y-chromosome DNA, Hammer said. (For instance, if an ancient woman had only sons, then her mitochondrial DNA would disappear, even though the son would pass on a quarter of her DNA via the rest of his genome.)
Our DNA is littered with "snippets" of DNA from all of our ancestors.
quote:It is, and there is a straightforward answer that you inexplicably keep ignoring.
It's a pretty straightforward question.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:52 am to Korkstand
I had already figured out that you're an a-hole, korkstand. You don't have to keep proving that.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:53 am to KCT
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I think JaketheDog raises some excellent questions. If these two people were mating with other people, where is the DNA of those people?
It's a pretty straightforward question. But please, save me the responses like, "OMG" or "you have cousins, right?" if you can't explain something, just say you don't know. The dirty little secrets is, nobody knows all the answers.
as korkstand says it appears that we have evidence of snippets of ancient DNA meaning that we descent from multiple parents.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:01 am to Lg
quote:That is a question that DNA analysis can't answer, and one that evolution does not try to answer.
What I'm wanting to know is where the first cell came from?
quote:No, the heart surely came before the brain. And, judging by this thread, some have yet to develop brains.
Did whatever we came from, as the evolutionist can't explain, develop a brain first that told the body it needed a heart?
quote:It didn't know that, that's just the way it happened. Many organisms self-replicate, and sexes are not necessary. Evolution has no goals. Random things happen, and if they offer an advantage they tend to stick around. There are some hypotheses that attempt to explain why two sexes came about, and they revolve around the fact that sharing traits between two slightly different organisms increases the chance that advantageous traits get passed on. Basically, intermingling spreads the good genes across lineages, rather than each individual lineage having to develop advantageous traits separately, and potentially dying off if they don't.
How did it know that there would need to be male and female to reproduce?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:03 am to KCT
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I had already figured out that you're an a-hole, korkstand. You don't have to keep proving that.
Oh, you finally responded to me. Does that mean you actually read and sort of understand what I said? Because I tried to explain it politely about half a dozen times and it didn't work.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:08 am to KCT
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I had already figured out that you're an a-hole, korkstand. You don't have to keep proving that.
How's this for being an a-hole: You're either the dumbest human being imaginable or completely trolling this thread. There is no other explanation.
So do you want to be retarded or a troll?
(waits for terrible comeback)
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:11 am to Korkstand
What's funny to me, korkstand, is how you attempt to gloss over all the questions that you admit can't be answered. I think that's the primary reason why 2-3 of you are reduced to smartass answers, because you want everyone to ignore the unanswered questions and simply "take your word" on the big picture.
Sorry, dude. You're overselling, and I'm not buying.
Sorry, dude. You're overselling, and I'm not buying.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:11 am to Lg
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How did it know that there would need to be male and female to reproduce?
"It" didn't "know" anything. You have a very feeble understanding of how these things work.
Evolution isn't some deity directing a process. It doesn't think or manipulate or have a "goal", in the way you're thinking.
Mutations happen. Mutations that are advantageous to reproduction and spreading that organisms genetics survive.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:12 am to KCT
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What's funny to me, korkstand, is how you attempt to gloss over all the questions that you admit can't be answered. I think that's the primary reason why 2-3 of you are reduced to smartass answers, because you want everyone to ignore the unanswered questions and simply "take your word" on the big picture.
There are many questions we can't answer. But all of yours have been answered thoroughly. In fact, they are answered IN the article you posted.
You must be trolling.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:16 am to Korkstand
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all males in their global sample shared a single male ancestor in Africa roughly 125,000 to 156,000 years ago.
Why not the female that this male mated with?
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all women on the planet trace back to a mitochondrial Eve, who lived in Africa between 99,000 and 148,000 years ago — almost the same time period during which the Y-chromosome Adam lived.
Same thing, why not the male that this female mated with? I see you keep bringing up the family tree thing. OK., Now imagine if you're looking at your family tree and there is your great grand parents and someone tries to tell you that you are descended from your great grandfather but not your great grandmother despite the fact they only mated with one another their entire lives. Instead some woman on the other side of the sate who lived 200 years before your great grandfather was born is your real great grand-mother but somehow her husband, who was the only male she mated with, is not one of your great grandfather.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
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How's this for being an a-hole: You're either the dumbest human being imaginable or completely trolling this thread. There is no other explanation.
So do you want to be retarded or a troll?
There is no need for this. Either debate the subject matter using your own merits or leave. Once you resort to this type of insulting behavior you've lost all credibility.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 10:20 am to KCT
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I had already figured out that you're an a-hole, korkstand. You don't have to keep proving that.
I say the same thing to you I said in my last post to the other guy. Once you stop making points or counterpoints and instead resort to name calling, you've lost all creditability.
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