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JakeTheDog
| Favorite team: | Arizona  |
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| Registered on: | 1/28/2014 |
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re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 10:48 am to OMLandshark
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Are you talking about darkhorse? That poster is an absolute buffoon.
It was him and another one called Roger Klarvin. The Roger guy also posted this....
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Generally speaking, it is hypothesized in the scientific community that the biological urges that cause us to be gay, straight or bi are also responsible for attraction to children and adolescents. This will likely become a sound, scientifically understood principle in the next few decades.
What then will people say when scientists begin saying that pedophiles are no different than homosexuals in that both attractions arise from some abnormal process? It will be a very awkward discussion.
and this...
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]Animals yes, but what makes a 14 year old less able to consent than an 18 year old? Our ages of consent are arbitrary and most humans in history were just fine with adults having sex with what we would call children.[/b]
Moreover, are we asking people genuinely attracted to "children" to remain celibate their entire lives? If so, are we not being hypocritical after using that same argument against those who would prevent gay marriage?
To blow this off as an easy "they are sick fricks" issue is intellectually dishonest.
The fact that a couple of idiots on a message board say these things is bad but I can chalk that up to just a couple of idiots. What's disturbing though is they had links showing there are medical professionals who think like they do and are starting to push for "pedo rights" or whatever. I mean, what the frick?!?
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re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 10:38 am to moneyg
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He's saying that people were using pain killers recreationally. They weren't (in large part) legitimately using pain meds to address a legit medical issue.
You summed up my point perfectly. :cheers:
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 10:35 am to Mung
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Meh, your attitudes right here is an example of why the media has to push it. The overwhelming influence of Christianity on our culture forces people to deny their own orientation, just to be accepted by the public and their families. It's plain sad how many gays have to hide in the closet to avoid being condemned and ostracized by their own parents, siblings and co-workers.
I think most of the gays who think they have to "hide" really are just unaware that nobody else gives a shite about who they are fricking nor do they want to hear about it. The fact they feel they need to "declare" they are this label or that label is what is irritating to people, not the label itself.
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 10:25 am to Salmon
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it's not harmful until that act upon it
Here is some of what he was saying...
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Ok, bury your head in the sand then. B4U ACT isn't real. They are not in the field that determines what classification it gets.
Richard Kramer is not their Director of Operations. He did not speak at a conference in Baltimore. At that conference that NEVER took place, he never stated that:
Pedophilia (as an “orientation”) is “not a choice”.
Efforts to treat pedophilia are “similar to methods used on homosexuals 50 years ago, and similarly ineffective”
“Minor-Attracted Persons” “do not exhibit narcissism, psychosexual immaturity…psychopathology, neurosis or any personality disorder more than people attracted to adults”.
Dr Fred Berlin of Johns Hopkins DID NOT deliver the key note speech in which he stated "I want to completely support the goal of B4U-Act."
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B4U-ACT Baltimore conference:
Pedophiles are “unfairly stigmatized and demonized” by society.
There was concern about “vice-laden diagnostic criteria” and “cultural baggage of wrongfulness.”
“We are not required to interfere with or inhibit our child’s sexuality.”
“Children are not inherently unable to consent” to sex with an adult.
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the APA in the DMS changes the classification, then call me crazy, but it becomes protected.
SONDA: The Sexual Orientation Non-Discrimination Act, typically known by its acronym "SONDA," prohibits discrimination on the basis of actual or perceived sexual orientation in employment, housing, public accommodations, education, credit, and the exercise of civil rights.
Most states have these acts.
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How does it protect children to force teenagers and adults into hiding by demonizing and stigmatizing them for feelings they did not choose and they have not acted upon? One survey respondent wrote, “Parents will disown you, teachers will report you, friends will abandon you...people in my situation can't discuss this without serious risk of harassment.”
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Why is it so difficult to distinguish between feelings and behavior? Is it really true that making accurate information and compassionate services available will cause adolescents and adults who are attracted to children to act on their feelings? Is the only way to protect "normal" kids to condemn the "abnormal" ones and incarcerate the over one million American teenage boys and men who are attracted to children or young adolescents?
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That's DOCTORS. Members of the APA. THE PEOPLE WHO SAYS WHAT IS AND IS NOT A SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
Not you, not me, not the government. THE APA!
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Pedophilia is a sexual orientation and unlikely to change
The understanding of pedophilia has evolved over time, so each successive edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) has defined this disorder in a slightly different way. The current edition, DSM-IV, categorizes pedophilia as a disorder only if the sexual fantasies or urges involve prepubescent children (defined as 13 or younger
The draft version of DSM-V, now undergoing review, proposes several changes to the diagnosis of pedophilia. One is to expand the definition of this disorder to include hebephilia, an attraction to children who are going through puberty. The hybrid category, pedohebephilia, would consist of the pedophilic type (attracted to prepubescent children, generally younger than 11), the hebephilic type (attracted to pubescent children, usually ages 11 through 14)
Pretty screwed up shite but there are real people, doctors apparently that are making these arguments.
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 10:17 am to OMLandshark
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Anyone with any background in psychology whatsoever would know how terrible of an idea this would be. Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone so long as you use a condom. Pedophilia I don't know where to start. That fricks someone up for life, and I doubt that will ever be remotely acceptable.
I agree 100% but the dude in that thread was adamant that there is a growing movement in the medical and phycology circles to chance that line of thinking. He even had links to "experts" talking about how it was not harmful and shite.
re: Baby Boomer: You're killing our economy
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 10:15 am to BoatSchoolTiger
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why has blaming the baby boomers been the new norm lately?
guess another product of the "me" generation is to blame everyone else
I think the only other generation that has been so obsessed with blaming all the world's problems on a past generation was the boomers back in the 60's. I think the saying was "don't trust anyone over 30" or something along those lines. How ironic is it that now their getting the same treatment. :lol:
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 10:09 am to Displaced
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nobody can choose what makes their dick hard
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then how long is it until the child molesters have their civil rights movement?
There was a thread about this on the poli board the other day. I can't remember all the details but someone was on there citing some scientific studies or something supporting the very thing you're talking about. I think they were saying the AMA or something was about to reclassify pedophilia from a sexual disorder and start calling it a sexual orientation just like they reclassified homosexuality back in the 90's.
Edit: Here is the thread.
LINK
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 10:03 am to beejon
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how black people are destroying America
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If one wishes to discuss the impact of blacks on society, one should start a thread about the subject. Of course that person would be banned and the thread deleted.
Yeah I was very tempted to comment on that but thought better of it. :lol:
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 9:54 am to CadesCove
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I don't get angry, I am just repulsed. As far as two dude holding hands in public, I'm not a fan of PDAs by anyone, straight, gay or other. Do what you want behind closed doors. If you want to get married, have at it. Why should straight people get to be the only miserable ones out there?
I do believe the liberal media has pushed this agenda much harder than it needed to be. Yet again, they found a solution and then sought out a problem.
This guy gets it. :cheers:
re: Who owns some Silverware?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 9:52 am to Arkla Missy
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I have real silver, and I love to polish it. Weird, I know.
I'll gladly invite you to our Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners if that means I can get out of polishing my mom's silverware. She makes a mean sweet potato casserole. :lol:
re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 9:36 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
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I thought you said that most of these people started with pot?
I meant it as in the first "illegal" drug. And for the third time, I support legalization of pot.
re: Who owns some Silverware?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 9:34 am to Broke
My mom has real silverware. And I have to polish that shite up ever thanksgiving and Christmas. :banghead:
re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 9:24 am to WHATDOINO
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Are you just dumb to this subject or not?
Read my posts in this thread. I know a number of people, friends, family, and acquaintances who are junkies.
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Of course people that use pain medicine recreationally turn to heroin as it is a similar high with opiates.
I know this first hand with family and it is an epidemic.
The high from heroin is the next step up from intravenous use of pain medication.
It still amazes me the amount of people you would never know that are addicted to pain pills. Its very saddening actually.
And I said there are some who start out with real pain meds from a real doctor and a real prescription. But they are the minority. The majority of people who start with pills and move to heroin never had a real need for the pills to begin with, much less a prescription from a doctor. Instead they start on pills to get fricked up.
A good friend of mine from Jr High is a great example. We use to go to his house after practice every day. His mom worked evenings so we had the place to ourselves. We started by sneaking some of her vodka. Then we found someone who would buy our own. We were just 14 and having a good time. Next we found a source to score some pot. So now we started getting stoned. That was the extent of it for me and most of the rest of out group. But not this one guy. He always wanted more and better. He moved from pot to coke, from coke to pills, from pills to heroin. While we were graduating HS, he was kicked out of his mom's house and crashing wherever he could for a day or two and doing whatever he needed to get his next fix. Not once did he ever take a pill for any other reason to get fricked up. And he's just one typical example.
re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 9:15 am to Spaulding Smails
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Exactly, why is it our duty to help everyone? If some bozo wants to do heroin, and refuses to quit, let him live his life. People tend to make other people's problems, their problems.
If you don't want to die from heroin, don't do it
If you don't want your kid to do it, educate and regulate them.
If some worthless frick you don't know wants to get a fix under I-10, who gives a shite!
You will probably give a shite if that worthless frick under I-10 is your sister or brother.
re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 9:09 am to MRTigerFan
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No it's not. That's exactly what has happened. Do you think the article is FOS and that the cracking down on prescription pain killers and the rise in Heroin use are just a coincidence?
I'm saying they have nothing to do with one another. I'm sure there are some who went from legit pain meds to heroin. But like I said above, I have both friends and family who are complete heroin junkies. I know guys and girls I went to school with who are junkies. And of all the junkies I know of, not a one of them started using any drug for any other reason than to get high. And to be completely honest, the first drug most, if not all, tried was pot. And before you say I'm being anti-pot, if you'll look back to the first page you'll I'm in favor of legalizing pot.
But let's not kid ourselves. While some people may go from pain meds their doctors gave them to heroin, they are just a drop in the bucket to the others who get hooked on heroin just because they needed a better high.
re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 9:00 am to LSUvegasbombed
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Another solution to this epidemic could be taking a page out of Amsterdam "needle park"
People are going to do heroin regardless. "Needle Park" decided to regulate heroin. You can go to clinics twice a day, where they inject you with legit heroin, clean needle, etc. It has prevented OD's and disease transfers are lower. I am not saying its right but at least you can keep people from dying from lethal heroin.
No offense but have you been around many heroin addicts? The idea of not trying to get them off of it and instead just letting them live out their days in heroin induced stupor is beyond cruel. That's no way to live. In fact hat's not living at all. That's just existing from one fix to the next.
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 8:55 am to Salmon
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I've witnessed 2 male dogs go at each other pretty hard, so...
I've witnessed a male dog banging his mom like his life depended on it. Does this mean incest is normal and natural as well?
re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 8:53 am to ULSU
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Heroin is not a "party" drug. People that take to it love the fact that it kills all pain (physical and emotional). I have firsthand accounts of people that have gotten to heroin from pill prescriptions.
LOL... you're trying to tell me about heroin use. That's funny. I've lived through this with friends and family and still have to deal with it even today. Did some of them have "issues"? Yes, but who does not at least have some issue they could use as an excuse to use heroin if they wanted to? Of all the heroin junkies I know, they all share one thing in common. They chose to try heroin. None of them jumped from some legit pain prescription to it. And notice I said "legit". Some were popping pills already but none were from a real doctor that prescribed them pills for pain. Instead they were popping pills to get fricked up. We can make all the excuses we want but until we can be honest about the problem it can never get better. And the honest reason the majority of people get hooked on not just heroin but most drugs is because they just want to get fricked up.
re: Advocate article on heroin use
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 8:42 am to ULSU
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By all means though, let's make sure weed is not available as an alternative pain killer. So many people move on to heroin after running out of their prescription for Oxy (or other opiates).
Look, I'm all for legalized pot. But to try and claim that the rise in heroin use is due to people needing pain meds is just stupid.
If we are being totally honest with ourselves the rise in heroin is a result in more people wanting to get fricked up. We've become a party culture.. simple as that.
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 8:38 am to Salmon
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like freedom?
Freedom? What are you talking about?
re: Do we accept the gay because of media pressure or did we pressure the media?
Posted by JakeTheDog on 2/10/14 at 8:36 am to DanTiger
Why do I need to "accept" the gays? What does that even mean? If some dude wants to bang dudes that's no more my business any more than what you and your wife/GF do in your bedroom. Just keep that shite to yourself. I don't go around proclaiming my heterosexuality.
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