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re: Chromosome Study: All Men Can Be Traced to One Man
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:18 pm to KCT
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:18 pm to KCT
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Basically, this study concluded that the DNA of all men can be traced back to a single man, and that he existed at the same time as the mother of all women.
Right, Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:20 pm to KCT
Something like 1 in 6 Chinese can be traced back to Genghis Kahn.
What's your point?
What's your point?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:21 pm to KCT
bottleneck event =/= virtual extinction
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:28 pm to iAmBatman
I wasn't talking about a bottleneck event. I was simply commenting on the chart, which referred to a virtual extinction of the population at one point in time.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:45 pm to KCT
but the chart was explaining a bottleneck event...did you not get that?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:46 pm to KCT
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If the Theory of Evolution is correct, doesn't it seem strange that a random process would've created only one man and one woman?
It didn't. THere are billions of men and women.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:56 pm to KCT
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Any thoughts on what would've caused that?
It sure as shite wasn't a world wide flood event less than 10,000 years ago. You simply could not have the genetic diversity you see if we had gotten down to that few humans that recently.
Modern cheetahs represent a good example of what we'd look like today had that actually happened.
LINK
Unless you invoke magic, that is.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 12:58 pm to Antonio Moss
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but instead just the two out of thousands of people alive at the time with unbroken male or female lineages that continue on today.
In your view, where did these thousands of genetically the same people come from? And if they are genetically the same how do you know they do not have issue and then they would all go back to the same "one man"?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:03 pm to CarrolltonTiger
Iambatman, I think you need to learn how to read a chart.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:06 pm to KCT
So, no one is surprised that all people of all races can be traced back to one man? I don't think the Theory of Evolution promotes that possibility.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:13 pm to KCT
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So, no one is surprised that all people of all races can be traced back to one man?
Not considering we're talking about 100,000+ years, no. We are still talking about the same time our ancestors would have been migrating out of Africa.
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I don't think the Theory of Evolution promotes that possibility.
Say what?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:39 pm to KCT
This reminds me of two quotes from two comedians:
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
“Don’t argue! You cannot win, you cannot beat a woman in a arguement. It’s impossble you will not win. Cause men, we are handicapped when it comes to arguing because we have a need to make sense” – Chris Rock
“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” - George Carlin
“Don’t argue! You cannot win, you cannot beat a woman in a arguement. It’s impossble you will not win. Cause men, we are handicapped when it comes to arguing because we have a need to make sense” – Chris Rock
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:44 pm to KCT
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So, no one is surprised that all people of all races can be traced back to one man? I don't think the Theory of Evolution promotes that possibility.
You thought wrong. Evolution insists on it. You and all of your siblings can be traced back to a single common father, right? You and all of your cousins can be traced back to a single common grandfather, right? Take another step out and include 2nd, 3rd, etc cousins and you can be traced back to a single common great-, great-great-, etc. grandfather, right? Obviously, some of these people share other male ancestors, as well, and the article alludes to this. All it really says, though, is that the more current generation people you include, the further back you have to go to find a single common ancestor. It should be quite obvious that all people should share a single common ancestor, just as evolution and DNA analysis tells us that humans and apes share a common ancestor.
Nothing new or surprising here, just another misunderstanding of genealogy and evolution.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:48 pm to Korkstand
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You thought wrong. Evolution insists on it. You and all of your siblings can be traced back to a single common father, right? You and all of your cousins can be traced back to a single common grandfather, right? Take another step out and include 2nd, 3rd, etc cousins and you can be traced back to a single common great-, great-great-, etc. grandfather, right? Obviously, some of these people share other male ancestors, as well, and the article alludes to this. All it really says, though, is that the more current generation people you include, the further back you have to go to find a single common ancestor. It should be quite obvious that all people should share a single common ancestor, just as evolution and DNA analysis tells us that humans and apes share a common ancestor.
This is as simply and elegantly put as possible.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:55 pm to Korkstand
I still think the whole thing is pretty cool 
Posted on 2/6/14 at 1:58 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I still think the whole thing is pretty cool
Oh, it is. These types of studies help us to better understand where we originated, when certain populations migrated, and why they might have done so. History is always interesting.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:07 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
It is pretty cool. If there wasn't any Supreme Being or guiding force (Intelligent Design) which was responsible for the genesis of the human race, then we are left with believing that some random process is responsible for the beginning of everything, including the human race. More precisely, we are reduced to believing that this random process only "created" one male and one female, from whom the rest of mankind is descended. Why would this random process have only created one "person" of each gender? That's hard to believe.
In fact, I don't believe it.
In fact, I don't believe it.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:08 pm to Korkstand
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You thought wrong. Evolution insists on it. You and all of your siblings can be traced back to a single common father, right? You and all of your cousins can be traced back to a single common grandfather, right? Take another step out and include 2nd, 3rd, etc cousins and you can be traced back to a single common great-, great-great-, etc. grandfather, right? Obviously, some of these people share other male ancestors, as well, and the article alludes to this. All it really says, though, is that the more current generation people you include, the further back you have to go to find a single common ancestor. It should be quite obvious that all people should share a single common ancestor, just as evolution and DNA analysis tells us that humans and apes share a common ancestor.
Nothing new or surprising here, just another misunderstanding of genealogy and evolution.
nailed it
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:12 pm to KCT
There is a lot of "faith" when it comes to evolution.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 2:13 pm to KCT
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It is pretty cool. If there wasn't any Supreme Being or guiding force (Intelligent Design) which was responsible for the genesis of the human race, then we are left with believing that some random process is responsible for the beginning of everything, including the human race.
its called the Big Bang
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More precisely, we are reduced to believing that this random process only "created" one male and one female, from whom the rest of mankind is descended. Why would this random process have only created one "person" of each gender? That's hard to believe.
The human species evolved over time from evolutionary ancestors. It is a gradual and continual process which is still happening today. No one human couple was "created" from this random process, rather, communities evolved over millennia into what we see today. The ability for humans to digest milk after adolescence is considered by many to be the most recent example of human's evolution over time (within the last 200,000 years)
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 2:14 pm
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