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re: Christians who somehow thought it wasn’t Christianlike to vote for Trump
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:46 pm to Champagne
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:46 pm to Champagne
Perhaps he thinks the Archbishop is selling indulgences?
I had a priest friend who used to joke that there wasn't that much more good will stored up in the Gospels after 2000 years of Christianity that you could still " buy" absolution and salvation.
I had a priest friend who used to joke that there wasn't that much more good will stored up in the Gospels after 2000 years of Christianity that you could still " buy" absolution and salvation.
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Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:48 pm to Champagne
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POTUS Trump is a Protestant
Brother,
Have you ever heard Trump say once - ever - that he believes in Jesus Christ as God, Savior, the One and Only True God, Only Begotten Son of God or any other title as even remotely close to such?
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:54 pm to KiwiHead
Improper administration of the Indulgences was wrong back then in the 1400s and the 1500s, but, was that really a good reason to destroy Christ's Church and smash it into thousands of different sects?
Jesus prayed to the Father for Unity in the Church with some of Jesus last words on Earth. Some RCC clerics improperly administer an Indulgence and then THAT becomes the last straw that triggers the disintegration of the Church into a thousand pieces? AFTER JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF PRAYED TO THE FATHER THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN?
Why such a radical extreme resort? The RCC fixed the problem with Indulgences and those clerics were corrected. There was no need for any man to condemn the Church and then start his own new personal religions, which is what Luther, Calvin, Henry 8th and Zwingli did.
And you can retort with the taking points that these Radical Revolutionaries, all four of them, got it right, but, if that was true then why didn't all four of them agree on their theological doctrine? They didn't. All four had four different 'Protestant" theologies!
Jesus prayed to the Father for Unity in the Church with some of Jesus last words on Earth. Some RCC clerics improperly administer an Indulgence and then THAT becomes the last straw that triggers the disintegration of the Church into a thousand pieces? AFTER JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF PRAYED TO THE FATHER THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN?
Why such a radical extreme resort? The RCC fixed the problem with Indulgences and those clerics were corrected. There was no need for any man to condemn the Church and then start his own new personal religions, which is what Luther, Calvin, Henry 8th and Zwingli did.
And you can retort with the taking points that these Radical Revolutionaries, all four of them, got it right, but, if that was true then why didn't all four of them agree on their theological doctrine? They didn't. All four had four different 'Protestant" theologies!
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:56 pm to TheDeerHunter
Trump belongs to the Episcopal Church.
No, I've never heard him speak that deeply on Religion, no.
Yes, I do wish that Trump would be able to speak more eloquently on Theology, but, my guess is that he is not as serious about his Spirituality as those of us who argue about Religion here on the Political Talk board.
No, I've never heard him speak that deeply on Religion, no.
Yes, I do wish that Trump would be able to speak more eloquently on Theology, but, my guess is that he is not as serious about his Spirituality as those of us who argue about Religion here on the Political Talk board.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 6:58 pm to Champagne
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Donald Trump was raised in the Presbyterian faith and identified as a Presbyterian for much of his life, including during his 2016 presidential campaign. He was confirmed in the Presbyterian Church (USA) in 1959 at the First Presbyterian Church in Jamaica, Queens. However, in October 2020, Trump stated in an interview with Religion News Service that he no longer identifies as a Presbyterian and now considers himself a nondenominational Christian
He was raised Presbyterian like Foomanchoo with looney tunes Paula White as his “spiritual advisor”.
Paula White and the Donald in July
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 7:00 pm to TheDeerHunter
quote:
purgatory
The EOC does not use the word "Purgatory" but the theological doctrine held by the EOC as I understand it is very similar to the RCC Catechism on the subject.
And since both the RCC and the EOC consider 2 Maccabees to be part of the Canon of the Old Testament, I can see why both the EOC and RCC would not be very far apart on this issue.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 7:00 pm to TheDeerHunter
I stand corrected. I really thought he is Episcopalian.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 7:01 pm to Champagne
quote:
the EOC as I understand it is very similar to the RCC Catechism on the subject.
What do you mean by that sir?
Posted on 9/9/25 at 7:23 pm to TheDeerHunter
Praying for the Souls of the dearly departed in the hope that God's Mercy falls upon them.
The Protestants scoff at this practice and do not "pray for dead people." They say that dead people are in Heaven or Hell and have no interest or care or knowledge about what's going on with their loved ones remaining among the living.
The Protestants scoff at this practice and do not "pray for dead people." They say that dead people are in Heaven or Hell and have no interest or care or knowledge about what's going on with their loved ones remaining among the living.
This post was edited on 9/9/25 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 9/9/25 at 7:33 pm to Champagne
Purgatory and the Final Judgement of Christ
As a wretched layman, I’ll provide you with Dr. Clark Carlton’s article from a more learned Orthodox perspective.
He also wrote “The Truth - What Every Roman Catholic Should Know about the Orthodox Church” you may enjoy.
God bless you buddy.
As a wretched layman, I’ll provide you with Dr. Clark Carlton’s article from a more learned Orthodox perspective.
He also wrote “The Truth - What Every Roman Catholic Should Know about the Orthodox Church” you may enjoy.
God bless you buddy.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 7:53 pm to TheDeerHunter
I read it. That's a good article.
Posted on 9/9/25 at 8:45 pm to sorantable
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Christians accosting others by telling them they aren’t thinking critically is always hilarious.
Do you think trolls are good critical thinkers? Be careful how you answer lest someone accuse you of "accosting" them.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:14 am to Champagne
Indulgences and their purchase was never the problem. The issues that lead to the big split or reformation were a long time coming and had been simmering for at least a hundred years prior to Luther and Calvin.
I blame Guttenberg and the printing press....indirectly.
I blame Guttenberg and the printing press....indirectly.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:33 am to TheDeerHunter
quote:Yes, I ask it now because that is what I believed was good to get a direct answer from you in this topic. Thank you for sharing your response and for highlighting the concern I have about a false gospel.
You ask this after 278 posts later?
Are you being serious or capricious? If serious, you need to not be debating Orthodox doctrines.
You shared this quote:
…though faith is rightly understood as a life lived in faithful obedience to God. It is accomplished at baptism, the sacramental instrument by which sins are forgiven, and is maintained by confession of sins
This is what I have a problem with. The EOC—like the RCC—mixes and confuses justification and sanctification.
Faith is resting and trusting in someone or something outside yourselves, but the EOC defines it as what you do, namely your own “faithful obedience”.
In Romans 3 and 4, Paul goes out of his way to contrast faith with works. He says faith is what we believe and works are what we do. “Faithful obedience” is describing those things we do. Therefore, this statement you provided betrays a false gospel and therefore a false church, as I see it. The only question that remains in this discussion is when did the EOC officially adopt that position.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:41 am to StrongOffer
quote:I disagree. While Christians should love their fellow man, our first priority above all else is to love God and seek to glorify Him.
I’d say staying neutral in an election where evildoers want to destroy the most influential Christian nation on earth is even less Christian.
I don’t blame anyone for voting for Trump if their consciences are not bothered by doing so, especially since that was me for the first two elections, but for some, who believe that not voting for a faithful and open Christian who seeks to honor Christ Lord above all else, not voting wasn’t remaining neutral.
quote:I understand your concern for neutrality, but this passage is talking about losing your love for Christ, not sitting out of an election or voting for a third party.
Revelation 3:15-16:
"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth".
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:45 am to TheDeerHunter
quote:The PCUSA had been going liberal for probably 50 years before Trump was born, but his total lack of spiritual focus is not necessarily a denominational issue, but a heart issue.
He was raised Presbyterian like Foomanchoo with looney tunes Paula White as his “spiritual advisor”.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 6:59 am to FooManChoo
Would you say that he is a PINO?
I always try to stay away from judging another person's intensity when it comes to faith. I can judge the actions .
I'll wager that if you asked him to read from the Gospel of Thomas, he might actually open his Bible, but then again he might be a closet theologian and tell you he's not open to the Gnostics and does not carry it around.
I always try to stay away from judging another person's intensity when it comes to faith. I can judge the actions .
I'll wager that if you asked him to read from the Gospel of Thomas, he might actually open his Bible, but then again he might be a closet theologian and tell you he's not open to the Gnostics and does not carry it around.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 7:17 am to Champagne
Not me, o bubbly one, I was brought up hybrid. My father was RCC and my mom was EOC. Confirmed in the RCC.....but I've been to enough Divine Liturgies over the years because my mother never truly embraced the RCC.
My beef with Protestants is that the services tend to be about the preacher and his interpretation of some select passages. Not on Christ. In most Protestant services....especially Evangelical and Baptist services, I keep asking myself where is this service moving to? If you aren't moving to a climax, mainly the Holy Eucharist" then what's the point? I can go to a TED talk anytime.
My beef with Protestants is that the services tend to be about the preacher and his interpretation of some select passages. Not on Christ. In most Protestant services....especially Evangelical and Baptist services, I keep asking myself where is this service moving to? If you aren't moving to a climax, mainly the Holy Eucharist" then what's the point? I can go to a TED talk anytime.
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:03 am to FooManChoo
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This is what I have a problem with. The EOC—like the RCC—mixes and confuses justification and sanctification.
The EO and RCC were around 1500 years before your reformers, Foo. If they don't have or never had your views, maybe it's your views that are wrong.
quote:
In Romans 3 and 4, Paul goes out of his way to contrast faith with works. He says faith is what we believe and works are what we do. “Faithful obedience” is describing those things we do. Therefore, this statement you provided betrays a false gospel and therefore a false church, as I see it. The only question that remains in this discussion is when did the EOC officially adopt that position.
What chapter in Genesis does Paul cite in Romans 4 where he says that Abraham was declared righteous by God?
Posted on 9/10/25 at 8:51 am to FooManChoo
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Therefore, this statement you provided betrays a false gospel and therefore a false church, as I see it
At least you’re being honest now stating clearly your belief that the Orthodox Church is a “false church”.
As I have stated over and over as well, you are clinging onto a false gospel of Protestant, Reformed, Calvinism - notice how none of that says Jesus Christ.
As such, either Orthodoxy represents the “ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC CHURCH” as put forth in the Nicene Creed by the Church Fathers over 1,700 years ago
OR
innovations of a French lawyer from 450 years ago are correct and the Orthodox Church is wrong.
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