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China's Rapid spend in Tech (while erasing US lead in AI) causes Economy to fall behind

Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:14 pm
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
11741 posts
Posted on 9/20/26 at 9:14 pm
Some decent meat info in a NYT article. I'd like to c/p but mods don't like it (and I can understand the copyright concerns).

To make matters worse, it (may be) behind a paywall. So what to do? Use AI on an article which is about China spending on AI.

I want to highlight this point -
quote:

Li Daokui warned the economy was "running too cold". He highlighted a 4.1 percent drop in fixed-asset investment, noting similar contractions only occurred during the Great Famine in 1961 and the Cultural Revolution in 1967. (and also a third time, 1989 following Tiananmen Square... a subject forbidden to discuss)



Also, the $295 billion (over 5 years) spending on datacenters, compares to $500 billion for Anthropic, $750 billion for Open AI and (near) $1 Trillion Google projected over 5 years.

But China has no customers, except for the state.

This is the way...



NYTimes.com -- China's AI makes a great Leap but Economy is falling behind.

Recent reports highlight that China has made rapid progress in artificial intelligence, significantly closing or erasing the U.S. lead. However, this surge in technological ambition is taking place against the backdrop of China's severe economic crisis, raising critical questions about state resource allocation

Key Points from the Source

.....o Severe Macroeconomic Strains: China's economy is trapped in a deflationary spiral marked by weak consumer spending. In August, youth unemployment (excluding students) reached 18.9 percent. During the first half of the year, domestic car sales dropped 20 percent year-over-year, and housing sales fell 14 percent

.....o Massive State Capital Directed into AI: Stanford's AI Index Report estimates state-backed funds deployed $184 billion into AI firms between 2000 and 2023. Furthermore, Beijing is preparing to spend approximately $295 billion over the next five years on state-operated data centers, alongside tax breaks, direct financing, and government contracts ordered by Xi Jinping

.....o Unprecedented Warnings from State Economists: Top establishment economists openly warned prior to the July Politburo meeting that pouring resources into AI—a sector that creates relatively few jobs—endangers broader economic stability:

............Li Daokui warned the economy was "running too cold". He highlighted a 4.1 percent drop in fixed-asset investment, noting similar contractions only occurred during the Great Famine in 1961 and the Cultural Revolution in 1967.

............Liu Shijin urged raising basic rural pensions from $30 to $150 per month to revive consumer demand.

............Huang Haizhou stated that "a country mired in deflation cannot achieve technological innovation," arguing Beijing must restore corporate profitability and mild inflation first

.....o Xi Jinping’s Focus on "Hard Power": China’s leadership largely bypassed these warnings at its July 30 Politburo meeting, maintaining incremental stimulus while committing to an "intelligent new economy" without announcing a domestic growth target. Xi argued that China "cannot look only at G.D.P. growth," prioritizing national "hard power" and high-tech advancement over social safety net expansions or direct consumer vouchers
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.....o Commercial Risks and Soviet Parallels: Analysts point out that AI firms ultimately require solvent domestic businesses and consumers to purchase their products. Sociologist Sun Liping drew a parallel to the Soviet Union—which rivaled the U.S. scientifically and reached 70 percent of its economic size before stalling—warning that producing advanced technological goods is unsustainable if ordinary citizens lack the income to buy them




PS - Hey China, suck on this banana...
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
7069 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 6:28 am to
So this is a similar scenario to Reagan bankrupting the USSR by outspending them on the military front?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
21306 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 7:11 am to
They will spend 295 billion and the US will spend 5 trillion......and they closed the gap?????????????????

While everyone gleefully reports china exports are up double digit, what they dont report is they are discounting so heavily that they now estimate a third of chinese companies are operating at a loss. They have to in order to make their products competitive and pay the tariffs.

And Trump was right to negotiate trade deals with all countries at once, it was to prevent exactly what he is bitching about with Canada. Canada taking in chinese goods, slapping a Canada label on them and then exporting 75 billion of it to the US.

Youth unemployment is, as mentioned 18.9% and it rose a full percentage point from the previous month.

Capital investment is in the tank, the real estate market continues to tank, domestic consumption is almost flatlined.

It aint pretty, and investing in AI probably isnt a good decision when the natives are getting restless.

Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
11741 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 7:31 am to
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So this is a similar scenario to Reagan bankrupting the USSR by outspending them on the military front?


Thanks for the response and analogy.

I believe we have a few industries which are doing this (and why President Trump's tariffs are also important to bring production back to the US).

Notice in my summary above about China competing against our AI companies: I left out SpaceX in the data center space (who leases Colossus, one of their data centers, to Anthropic for $1.25 billion / month).

But you already know SpaceX is chasing compute in space and competes against the world (but especially China) in transport. China is their closest competitor but are still years behind SpaceX.

Back in China; combined, none of these industries are generating revenue for the Chinese. They benefit the Chinese government and military for infrastructure but this isn't helping their workforce. Until businesses become customers in this space, they must continue to be the worlds manufacturer.

Combined with tariff's, and now paying heavily for oil - it continues to tighten the pinch on China's economy.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13944 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 7:51 am to
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spend 295 billion and the US will spend 5 trillion......


This has nothing to do with R&D spending from the government.

This is private spending on data centers. This stimulates the economy, it doesn't drain resources from the government coffers.

This does point out another concern of mine though-- many Americans lack very basic reading comprehension skills.
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
11741 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 9:33 pm to
My daughter sent me this, telling me she was surprised how bad the employment situation is in China.

This young lady was paid to live stream products for hours a day, until it took it's toll on her health.

3 months later, savings now drained, she borrowed nearly $300 from a friend as she goes on 6 interviews in this video. Each job doesn't pay much, because so many are out of work.

Posted by tigrewoulds21
Member since May 2026
108 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 9:40 pm to
So a pro-spending article? shocking.

The "experts" keep saying China is collapsing and they're our enemy but they dont attack us and when Americans go there they are treated well, and experience thriving safe cities with infrastructure we are too weak to pull off.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Member since Apr 2024
13299 posts
Posted on 9/21/26 at 9:42 pm to
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So a pro-spending article? shocking.

The "experts" keep saying China is collapsing and they're our enemy but they dont attack us and when Americans go there they are treated well, and experience thriving safe cities with infrastructure we are too weak to pull off.


You should move there, guaranteed to treat you well.
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