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re: China is at the mercy of Trump and the USA

Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:37 am to
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/31/24 at 8:37 am to
China is a problem but they are a bit of a paper tiger. Putting their population issues aside, they are a net importer of energy and food with them still requiring us to protect the pathways for that
Posted by FLTech
he/won
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 12/31/24 at 9:09 am to
Good. Like it did during trump’s first term and everything was actually very affordable because there was no inflation
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20149 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 11:59 am to
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"The story around China issuing USD-denominated sovereign bonds in Saudi Arabia is generating an enormous amount of buzz in China, and could potentially be immensely important.

I strongly suspect it’s a message to the upcoming Trump administration.

Let me explain what seems to be going on. On the face of it, it’s not a major story: China issued $2 billion in USD-denominated sovereign bonds in Saudi Arabia, which means that investors lent USD to the Chinese government that they promised to pay back. That’s what a bond is. So far, relatively boring.

The first somewhat interesting aspect of it is that the bonds were oversubscribed by almost 20x (meaning $40+ billion in demand for $2 billion worth of bonds), which is far more demand than usual for USD sovereign bonds. Typically US Treasury auctions see oversubscription rate between 2x to 3x so there obviously seems to be very strong market appeal for China’s dollar-denominated debt.

The second interesting aspect is that the interest rate on the bonds was remarkably close to US Treasury rates (just 1-3 basis points higher, i.e. 0.01-0.03%), which means that China is now able to borrow money – in US dollars (!) – at virtually the same rate as the US government itself. That’s the case for no other country in the world. As a benchmark, countries with the highest credit ratings (AAA) typically pay at least 10-20 basis points over US Treasuries in the rare instances when they issue USD bonds.

The third interesting aspect is the venue itself for this bond sale: Saudi Arabia. This is unusual since sovereign bonds are typically issued in major financial centers, not in Riyadh. The choice of Saudi Arabia and the fact that the Saudis agreed to this is particularly significant given its historical role in the global dollar system, the so-called ‘petrodollar’ system which I don’t need to explain… By issuing dollar bonds in Saudi Arabia that compete directly with US Treasuries, and getting essentially the same interest rate, China is demonstrating it can operate as an alternative manager of dollar liquidity right in the heart of the petrodollar system. For Saudi Arabia, which holds hundreds of billions in dollar reserves, this creates a new option for investing their dollars: they can invest it with the Chinese government instead of the US government.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20149 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 12:01 pm to
That was from Arnaud Bertrand on X
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
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Posted on 12/31/24 at 12:25 pm to
Is that isht dug up?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55608 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 1:01 pm to
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China is waiting patiently for the day that the dollar collapses. Like we waited for the pound sterling and the British Empire to collapse.

Sure, buddy, bet on the socialist dictator state in which no private property is ever safe from confiscation.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
14901 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 1:17 pm to
You realize Apple is moving production to Vietnam and India already, right?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19988 posts
Posted on 12/31/24 at 1:19 pm to
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Damn, sounds like Bernie Sanders has taken over the Poli board.


Closing loopholes makes someone Bernie? Weak even for you Shrub
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 1/1/25 at 12:29 am to
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China is a problem but they are a bit of a paper tiger. Putting their population issues aside, they are a net importer of energy and food with them still requiring us to protect the pathways for that
Yep.
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According to recent data, China imports a significant amount of food, currently being the world's largest food importer, with total food imports valued at around $140 billion annually; with major suppliers including Brazil, the United States, and New Zealand.
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China, the world’s largest importer of crude oil, imported 11.3 million barrels per day (b/d) of crude oil in 2023,
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