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re: China announces 34% retaliatory tariff on all US imports. Dow down 1000 on the news.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:40 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:40 am to wackatimesthree
Then a lot of those people will try to unionize at some point, which this board hates.
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:41 am to wackatimesthree
quote:We need to import self-awareness by the oil tanker.
You can't make this stuff up.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:41 am to Taxing Authority
I really doubt that. Workers in Europe, Australia, Canada and the highly developed Asian countries get better pay and benefits than American workers.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:41 am to Bunk Moreland
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Then a lot of those people will try to unionize at some point, which this board hates.
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Is this thread an indication that this board is now in favor of unions, especially the UAW?
not at all. what you are seeing is people happy about jobs coming back to this country. the jobs coming back is more important that it being a "union" job.
don't become sfp/roger.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:42 am to Jbird
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Food
I am perfectly fine with replacing monetary aide with food to countries that don’t hate us. Our farmers get paid to actually produce a product and we can support those that want to dig out of their own shite. I know it’s not free but we are currently paying big ag to not plant at all. At least make them buy and repair equipment and materials in the US.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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They also don't like to discuss why more productive jobs, like McDonalds workers
quote:Even here in Iowa starting welding jobs $25.73 an hour. But of course the Mickey Ds is the place to be for hourly workers.
McDonalds workers are more valuable than these jobs they want back
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:43 am to frogtown
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This happened in 2018 also. Trump had to quadruple farm subsidies to make them happy.
And taxpayers paid for it.
$27 Billion.
For comparison's sake, that's more than we've given Israel to date since Oct 7th, for a completely unforced error.
100% unnecessary, didn't accomplish a thing. China was supposed to buy all kinds of stuff from us as part of that deal and they didn't buy any of it.
It's almost like the government trying to regulate all of this trade is inefficient and leads to massive waste.
If only someone could have predicted it.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:43 am to slackster
Another simple minded OP
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:45 am to Jbird
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Even here in Iowa starting welding jobs $25.73 an hour.
That's a trade job that's much more productive than the lower-level factory jobs being discussed "coming back".
I've argued for years people who lost these jobs should get into trades like...welding.
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But of course the Mickey Ds is the place to be for hourly workers.
Better and more productive job than the unproductive lower-level manufacturing jobs we offshored for being inefficient for the labor costs.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:They constantly conflate productive with skilled. Those aren't equivalents. Most overseas workers are less skilled than US workers. But the are still more productive economically. But they can't grasp that concept. At. All. Apparently.
They also don't like to discuss why more productive jobs, like McDonalds workers
Like I pointed out a person that can hand build furniture with only hand tools is SUPERBLY skilled. But just about anyone can be trained to babysit and swap tooling on a CNC machine. Guess which one is more productive?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:46 am to saint tiger225
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Imagine being a grown arse man and saying something like this
He's still a boy. Not quite a man yet.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:47 am to saint tiger225
Imagine being a grown arse man and using this emoji in a post.
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:It's why we have no jobs for high school students to cut their teeth.
Better and more productive job than the unproductive lower-level manufacturing jobs we offshored for being inefficient for the labor costs
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:50 am to wackatimesthree
quote:We currently have both solar panel imports and installation subsidies, because... government is awsome!
It's almost like the government trying to regulate all of this trade is inefficient and leads to massive waste.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:53 am to Bunk Moreland
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Then a lot of those people will try to unionize at some point, which this board hates.
Actually, I've been predicting that rightist populists will begin to support unions for a little while now and I think we're still on track for that to happen.
Roger has always been correct about populism in that it is inherently a collectivist philosophy that will ultimately reduce back to socialism.
You have a few populists here now who support unions. That number will grow over time.
And the hilarious thing is this—somewhere in the middle of this multi-page thread is a guy being an officious prick telling someone else that tariffs are no longer a liberal mechanism, now they are a conservative mechanism.
He literally thinks that because rightist populists have appropriated the idea, that makes it a "conservative" idea.
That's really what these people think. They cannot even understand the concept of the underlying principes defining the idea.
Nope. Anybody on "my team" is espousing "conservative" ideas, regardless of what those ideas are, and anybody on "their team" is espousing liberal ideas, regardless of what those ideas are. The team defines the ideas, not the the ideas themselves.
The uat idiot who loves to call people liberals with his duck analogy is the same way.
They ALL are the same way, they just aren't all as obvious about it.
But yeah, embracing unions is coming. And then it will be a "conservative" idea.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:53 am to Taxing Authority
quote:quote:we have the most expensive workforce on the planet.
You have it backwards. Wages are currently artificially deflated due to the terrible trade policies
It's weird that you view these statements as mutually exclusive.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:53 am to Jbird
quote:Minimum wages, mandatory benefits, labor regulations, and social transfer payments have more to do with this than lack of tariffs.
It's why we have no jobs for high school students to cut their teeth.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:53 am to Jbird
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It's why we have no jobs for high school students to cut their teeth.
I see high schoolers working at all those jobs here.
The restaurant industry is still begging for workers, nationally.
And, even assuming your point is valid, that's due to the poor choices of the workers. They have other job options (like the welding jobs you posted) and refuse them.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:54 am to imjustafatkid
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It's weird that you view these statements as mutually exclusive.
You're arguing our wages are "deflated" while being the most expensive workforce on the planet.
And you think we can "bring the jobs back" within that paradigm? Where you think our already most expensive workforce should be paid more? How?
Posted on 4/4/25 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:There are plenty of old people and retirees working grocery stores McDs etc.
I see high schoolers working at all those jobs here.
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