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re: Charlie Kirk: You Cannot Be a Christian and Vote Democrat
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:43 am to the808bass
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:43 am to the808bass
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I’m not sure there’s any poster on this board who understands religion less than you do.
He’s a huge atheist
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:44 am to lake chuck fan
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The Democratic/Communist party's ideology is basically evil. You may not recognize it or agree, but that doesn't make it any less true.
The in/out group dynamic of partisan extremism I referenced earlier in real time
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
This is flailing SFP. Jesus told parables involving honored and rich men. The Bible has plenty of them. Jesus telling of the perils of wealth when it comes to faithfulness doesn't dictate what you're claiming as "the teachings of Jesus."
If I'm curating by saying "look at the NT as a whole" and you're saying "look at this sliver of the NT and use it as the basis for the entire society you're advocating for" - perhaps we're both "curating" but I find it a very, very odd approach to this argument.
If I'm curating by saying "look at the NT as a whole" and you're saying "look at this sliver of the NT and use it as the basis for the entire society you're advocating for" - perhaps we're both "curating" but I find it a very, very odd approach to this argument.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:46 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Half of all Catholic voters last election went for Biden along with about 40% of protestants.
Brilliant strategy to pull voters to Trump. Tell millions of Christians they aren't Christian.
Truth is truth
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:47 am to texag7
Most gay men are.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:47 am to theballguy
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First define exactly what a Christian truly is and then take a person who professes to be one and compare this with how he views right and wrong action.
God's commandments are subject to a persons views.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:48 am to Pettifogger
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This is flailing SFP.
It's not.
Which teachings of Jesus are you selecting to be included in the policies of government, and which are excluded?
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Jesus telling of the perils of wealth when it comes to faithfulness doesn't dictate what you're claiming as "the teachings of Jesus."
Then what is it, exactly?
Why did he even teach the lesson in the first place?
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"look at this sliver of the NT and use it as the basis for the entire society
This is exactly why religion remaining personal and separate from government is the larger point.
You cannot argue that Christianity "informs" government ( to use someone else's terminology) and then pick and choose which parts of Christianity this applies to. You're either all in, or curating.
I am saying ONCE you give the green light to curate, you can cut that shite up in 1M ways to justify any governmental policy via the Bible/Jesus
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:49 am to L.A.
we have 2 parties in this country and neither of them are Christian. Politicians embody everything Jesus stood against. You can argue on which party is worse sure but lets not act like either of them give a shite about faith. Faith is nothing but lip service for politicians.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God
This is known as proof-texting. Congratulations, you just joined the Hermeneutics 101 course.
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For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: Anyone unwilling to work should not eat.
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For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.
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for the scripture says, ‘You shall not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain’, and, ‘The labourer deserves to be paid.’
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Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share.
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The reward of humility and the fear of the Lord Are riches, honor and life
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:50 am to hawkeye007
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Politicians embody everything Jesus stood against.
Now THIS is effectively truth, with a few outliers (Mike Pence-types, MAYBE)
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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Which teachings of Jesus are you selecting to be included in the policies of government, and which are excluded?
The ones that should be included should be included.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:51 am to the808bass
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I’m not sure there’s any poster on this board who understands religion less than you do.
His religion is lawfare. Marc Elias is his prophet.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:51 am to the808bass
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The ones that should be included should be included.
Which should be excluded, then?
And does government or religion make that decision?
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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I do not understand how a professing Christian can vote Democrat
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Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God
-Jesus
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SlowFlowPro
Oh really? Well, since you're going there...
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If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
-GOD
Yeah. Keep voting for this.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're either all in, or curating.
Everyone curates all the time.
Libertarians will selectively apply their beliefs to practice.
Marxists will selectively apply their beliefs to practice.
Socialists will selectively apply their beliefs to practice.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:53 am to L.A.
you extreme " christians" are just as bad as extreme liberals.
God didn't give anyone free will and hates everyone who wrongthinks, right?
Don't forget to donate 10% of your income or you're not a real Christian either.
God didn't give anyone free will and hates everyone who wrongthinks, right?
Don't forget to donate 10% of your income or you're not a real Christian either.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is exactly why religion remaining personal and separate from government is the larger point.
You cannot argue that Christianity "informs" government ( to use someone else's terminology) and then pick and choose which parts of Christianity this applies to. You're either all in, or curating.
I am saying ONCE you give the green light to curate, you can cut that shite up in 1M ways to justify any governmental policy via the Bible/Jesus
First, the question of which Christian edicts should inform Christian government is a common topic among Christian Nationalists and Integralist types, so ok.
Second, this started with your declaration about poverty being a necessity in a Christian state, which still doesn't make sense as some absolute.
Third, your use of that (wrong) argument to get to a place where you can argue an inherent tension/issue in Christian nationalism/etc. is fine, but you could have just raised the issue and we could have talked about it without the strange effort at illustration.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:55 am to Gusoline
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you extreme " christians" are just as bad as extreme liberals.
Counterpoint: Christianity is inherently "extreme"
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:56 am to the808bass
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Everyone curates all the time.
Libertarians will selectively apply their beliefs to practice.
Marxists will selectively apply their beliefs to practice.
Socialists will selectively apply their beliefs to practice.
But those are philosophies based in rhetoric. A religion is comprehensive.
You're articulating exactly why we were told to keep religion and government separate.
If you use religion to base government policy, all of the religion must be part of that government policy. Otherwise, the religion isn't dictating anything and it's only being manipulated by subjective desires of individuals using religion to further justify their political preferences.
If you can ignore whatever part of the religion you choose to craft your governmental policy, then DEMs can too and their views are just as valid in terms of the religion.
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:56 am to L.A.
I call them religious political hypocrites.
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