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Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:26 am to Da Sheik
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Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.) This is the approach that Arthur Schopenhauer described in the 19th century, that Saul Alinsky famously advocated in the 20th, and that so many despots have infamously practiced. Such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society—and a telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:The 1A is about FREE speech. Not fairness.
With no limits to spending then person A can buy all the "speech" he wants, effectively drowning out the speech of everyone else around him who can't buy that much "speech". It gives him unequal access and favor and makes his vote inherently more valuable than anyone else's.
quote:Odd assertion. For the majority of our Republic's existence, no limits have been imposed.
If you think that that's a good thing then I guess that's you're right but to me it will create an oligarchic class that will result in a very small number of people holding the vast majority of political power. The republic will essentially be dead.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:30 am to jamboybarry
quote:It's the only way we can be free.
So to fix this, Fedgov restricts person A's speech.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:31 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Aye. So... does this mean if my neighbor gets at two guns, the government should give me two guns? Or take both of his away? You know... so we have equal right to bear arms.
No, to fix this Fedgov ensures that your speech can't be drowned out by someone else's speech, which is effectively restricting YOUR speech.
Also, does this mean all newspapers get the same amount of words for each edition? We wouldn't want one newspaper having more freedom of the press than another, right?
The only "freedom of speech" guaranteed by the Constitution is that the government will not limit the activities of citizens. It does not give you a right to be heard.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 12:41 am
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:34 am to Taxing Authority
Cmon dude, you can't seriously be saying that conservatives don't try to smear liberals. You know better than that.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:That depends on Hillary or Rand. Your beef should be with legislators that can be bought. Not people that attempt to buy them.
I can now go to Hillary or Rand or some senator or whoever and tell them I will donate 10 million dollars a month to their campaign every month in perpetuity. What kind of access is that going to get me?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:39 am to Eurocat
quote:?? Where did I make that claim?
Cmon dude, you can't seriously be saying that conservatives don't try to smear liberals.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 6:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
at someone's political OPINION being "right" and someone else's "wrong"
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:28 am to Da Sheik
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Schopenhauer was not a "collectivist," which is a dubious concept anyway.
On the other hand, the oldest story in politics is oligarchs buying friends and using ideology to advance their material interests.
Schopenhauer was not a "collectivist," which is a dubious concept anyway.
On the other hand, the oldest story in politics is oligarchs buying friends and using ideology to advance their material interests.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:30 am to Bayou Sam
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the oldest story in politics is oligarchs buying friends and using ideology to advance their material interests.
so the solution is to give more power to the people being bought(i.e., politicians)!
Brilliant!
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:31 am to Taxing Authority
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Taxing Authority
Not even the justices who wrote this decision agree with your way of characterizing the case.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 9:52 am to Draconian Sanctions
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No, to fix this Fedgov ensures that your speech can't be drowned out by someone else's speech, which is effectively restricting YOUR speech.
In the age when for $14.95 a month any yahoo can get a webpage and start a blog, I find the idea of someone's speech getting drowned out implausible.
What does this scenario look like? Can you point to an election where it happened?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:22 am to Da Sheik
This should be required reading for every citizen.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:27 am to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Do the union members get to vote on how "their" donations get spent politically or do the union bosses make those decisions. I truly don't know the answer, but if the members don't get to vote on it, isn't that stealing their free speech?
it's ok to ensure that everyone gets a chance to speak and have their voice heard.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:34 am to CptBengal
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so the solution is to give more power to the people being bought(i.e., politicians)!
Get help.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:36 am to Bayou Sam
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Get help.
nice rebuttal
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:40 am to Draconian Sanctions
Bozo said he would take the moral high ground on that idea until he was the candidate in '08 and then just sucked in the bucks like a well SUCKING vacuum cleaner on steroids. The left seems to somehow to always found lacking in the truth telling department on an overwhelming amount of what comes out of their mouths.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:47 am to CITWTT
quote:To be fair we're stereotyping here. But with that qualification... what I do find odd is that the left consistently tells us that character and personal morality don't matter. Yet... They are indignant that politicians can be bought.
The left seems to somehow to always found lacking in the truth telling department on an overwhelming amount of what comes out of their mouths.
It's an instance of getting exactly what we ask for.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:50 am to Bayou Sam
quote:Not as old as the subliminal message underpinning every form of government or *ism...that if we could just get the right people or make the right reforms, then finally it would work.
On the other hand, the oldest story in politics is oligarchs buying friends and using ideology to advance their material interests.
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