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Changes afoot to relax ITEP requirements... being pushed by JBE

Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:10 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:10 am
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JBE pushed the rule changes a few years ago to give local governments control over ITEP (industrial tax exemptions). Now it seems like he wants to place some restrictions on exactly how much leeway the locals have.

I think ITEP is a program that can create some good results. However, I still firmly believe that the state should have no part in this. The state isn't on the hook for any of the money, so this should be completely up to the local governments who are exempting the property.

Also, I think it looks really bad when a company asks for an exemption on a project already finished. Obviously, their financial projections indicated the exemption wasn't needed to justify the work. These major expenditures are made after years of study, there is plenty of time for them to get the paperwork in.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7836 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:07 pm to
If the state was worth half of a shite, they wouldn't need an ITEP program. But with the likes of Texas next door... Do what has to be done to compete.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95425 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:08 pm to
So, he only needed the locals to have this control until he got re-elected.


I’m glad it is reverting back to what it was to a degree but letting the EBR school board piss and moan about exemptions for Exxon was a fricking disgrace.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37503 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:10 pm to
I actually agree with moving the decision making closer to the populace, however, I am not a fan of school boards deciding itep exemptions as they have never met a tax they don’t love and, frankly, don’t understand private sector economics
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:16 pm to
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If the state was worth half of a shite, they wouldn't need an ITEP program. But with the likes of Texas next door... Do what has to be done to compete.


Agreed... it's just a cover for our crappy tax system we have here in LA.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:17 pm to
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I actually agree with moving the decision making closer to the populace, however, I am not a fan of school boards deciding itep exemptions as they have never met a tax they don’t love and, frankly, don’t understand private sector economics


While I agree with you, I'm not sure that's any different than your average city council, sheriff, police jury, etc.

Hell, I'd throw our state legislature and congress in there as well.

You think any of them know anything about private sector economics, tax policy, budgets, etc? Yet they vote on that stuff all the time.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37503 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:19 pm to
I really wish more people (myself included) got more involved in local politics. Look at this bird for example, how many are local issues? 1?

You start making localities business friendly/conservative, a lot of these issues we now see will start to go away
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95425 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:20 pm to
The school boards don’t even understand public sector economics or basic accounting AFAIK.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:23 pm to
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The school boards don’t even understand public sector economics or basic accounting AFAIK.


Certainly that's correct.

Now, do you think LaToya or Broome do? Look at the Metro Council or NOLA City Council... you think any of them understand any of that stuff?

Yet, they vote on union contracts, incentives, budgets, tax plans, pay raises, etc.

I guess my point is... I don't understand why we are singleing out school boards here.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95425 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:24 pm to
Because mayoral elections get lots of attention.

School boards fly under the radar, especially in areas where the schools are a shite show.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:27 pm to
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Because mayoral elections get lots of attention.

School boards fly under the radar, especially in areas where the schools are a shite show.


Fair point. But why is that? Considering how important schools are to many things, including economic development, maybe it's a failure on all of us that we don't pay more attention to their actions and elections.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
29193 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:32 pm to
Texas has similar, if not better incentive programs in place. They don’t look the same because Louisiana’s entire tax system is so f-ed up, it has to look different. And I’ve had to correct OP before, it is a tax deferment, not a lifetime tax exemption.

Honor Choade knows he botched it shooting from the hip, I have doubts about his ability to get the Genie back in the bottle. The little Kingdom of EBR has enjoyed getting to cuff Exxon around, they will fight any attempts to take away that power as best they know how...by playing the race card, early and often.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7836 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:36 pm to
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it is a tax deferment, not a lifetime tax exemption.


Most folks don't know this. Missing the forest for the trees.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:39 pm to
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And I’ve had to correct OP before, it is a tax deferment, not a lifetime tax exemption.


Tell me where I have eve said it was a "lifetime tax exemption".

I've never used those words, because it's not.

Nothing is "lifetime" in tax law... it can always be changed.

The exemption is for a period of time. Over time, the value of the item being exempted depreciates, thus, the value of the exemption goes down as well. The exemption means a lot more in year 1 than it does in year 8.

By the time the exemption runs out, there isn't much value left to tax.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:42 pm to
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Most folks don't know this. Missing the forest for the trees.


They are all different... some of them are very good deals, others not so much.

Anyone who says they are against all exemptions is just as stupid as anyone who says they support all exemptions.

There's one right now in St Bernard that has 2.4 million in foregone first year tax revenue, that created SEVEN new jobs at an average salary of 40K. So we are giving up 2.4 million a year in tax revenue for 280K in salaries. Is that a good idea?

I've seen others in other places, where the first year exemption is for $100K, and it creates over 100 new jobs. Those absolutely should be given.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95425 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:44 pm to
How desperate is St Bernard for either new jobs or to keep existing ones?

IIRC, they got their asses kicked by Katrina and never quite recovered.
Posted by LSUgusto
Member since May 2005
19222 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:49 pm to
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I think it looks really bad when a company asks for an exemption on a project already finished.
I’m pretty sure ITEP has to be applied for on the front end, and cannot be used on a project already finished.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37093 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 12:52 pm to
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How desperate is St Bernard for either new jobs or to keep existing ones?



Where the desperation is, is that they are still trying to protect the same size area with 20,000 less residents paying taxes. Also, there are a lot of post-Katrina improvements that now need repairs and they don't have the money for it.

So it's being billed locally as, hey, we can either raise everyone's property taxes, or, we can just deny some of these exemptions.

The people in power have cut some spending, but the result is much less service for things like cutting grass and fixing drainage issues.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36030 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:10 pm to
Apparently one or more of his buddies isn’t getting what they want.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:28 pm to
We should get rid of ITEP and the Homestead Exemption AND lower the millage to keep collections the same for one year. Voters could then vote for new millages and they would have much smaller millages than we have today to fund the same revenue streams.

This would add BILLIONS of dollars to the tax base and lower property tax rates tremendously. I suspect in many areas of the state homeowners would actually see their tax go down.

We should get rid of a lot of income tax exemptions too while holding total dollars collected the same.

One of, if not the biggest problem with our tax system is the number of exemptions and exceptions in our income tax code and our property tax system.

Everybody should pay tax and every politician should work to see the government is small and the essential functions are properly funded. Who wants a museum when police protection is lacking?
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 1:31 pm
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