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CDC moving the covid goalposts again

Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:03 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:03 pm




https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/downloads/Information-for-laboratories-COVID-vaccine-breakthrough-case-investigation.pdf

quote:

Respiratory specimen for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing • Specimen selection o Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value =28. o If a Ct value is not available, specimens that are positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen by another testing modality may be sent.


Dem digits...
Wonder what will happen to “cases” that they do not want to find (as they used different criteria to rule people in prior to the vaccine)

CDC number fricking us (weaponized bureaucracy...)
A statistical fricking...

This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 8:22 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39584 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:05 pm to
I saw the change to focus only on severe outcomes as a good thing.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:06 pm to
quote:

Respiratory specimen for SARS-CoV-2 sequencing • Specimen selection o Clinical specimens for sequencing should have an RT-PCR Ct value =28. o If a Ct value is not available, specimens that are positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA or antigen by another testing modality may be sent.


Can somebody paraphrase this for those of us who don’t speak Klingon.
Posted by tigerfootball10
Member since Sep 2005
9496 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

Can somebody paraphrase this for those of us who don’t speak Klingon.

We have moved on from the lie that we are only doing this to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17916 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:09 pm to
quote:

I saw the change to focus only on severe outcomes as a good thing.

If your purpose is to hide the complications/limitations of the vaccines, you're right.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:16 pm to
quote:

Can somebody paraphrase this for those of us who don’t speak Klingon.


Pre vaccine/ during Trump:

Simplified:
PCR testing used inappropriately to test for covid. The testing uses cycles. The more cycles, the smaller viral particles detected.

True positives should test positive with a smaller number of cycles. As cycles increase, more false positives become included (no clinical infection, but told they had covid). Statistical issues with sensitivity/specificity

CDC had the Ct set at level that allowed many patients to be “ruled in”
Inflated numbers

Biden/ vaccine :

CDC changes the Cycles to a lower level, effectively decreasing the number of patients labeled as “cases”. Literally just redefine reality

Automatically cases drop

Now they are further limiting how they define cases (further driving cases down and limiting the numbers of post vaccine breakthrough infection that will show up in future statistical analysis)


Lies, damn lies...

This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 8:25 pm
Posted by Beef Supreme
Member since Apr 2008
1924 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:28 pm to
quote:

Can somebody paraphrase this for those of us who don’t speak Klingon.


That 28 number is the amount of amplifications a test will get put through looking for covid. If it pops up in 28 or less amplifications then the patient is deemed positive.

This is important because the previous standard during the "pandemic" was around 42 amplifications. Which numerous experts pointed to as being way too high.

So unvaccinated or pre-vaccinated people would be deemed positive in more tests than the new standard for vaccinated people. Its manipulating the stats.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7598 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:30 pm to
Spot on post.

Yet when this first changed when Biden was elected, many on this board dismissed it.

If you change how you keep score, you change the results.

The interesting thing is that they did not go back and decrease the number of cases based on the new criteria.

Why? What science dictates that?

Political Science is the answer.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
7548 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:36 pm to
If you don;t like the data just change the metric for a positive test result.

Poof! Fewer cases!

Biden is our hero!

Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39584 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:48 pm to
quote:


If your purpose is to hide the complications/limitations of the vaccines, you're right


Whatever happened to

CASES?
A
S
E
S
?

I thought cases were a dubious metric from the start.

In any event, there haven't been many breakthrough infections anyway, so not worth a lot.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 8:49 pm
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
24829 posts
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:53 pm to
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CDC moving the covid goalposts again

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