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CDC head slammed for blaming nurse infected with Ebola
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:35 pm
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CDC head slammed for blaming nurse infected with Ebola
By Julie Steenhuysen
October 13, 2014
Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, made the declaration on Sunday at a news conference and called for an investigation into how the unidentified nurse became infected while caring for Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan, the first Ebola patient diagnosed in the United States. Duncan died last week at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital.
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Some experts also question the CDC’s assertion that any U.S. hospital should be prepared to treat an Ebola patient as the outbreak ravaging West Africa begins to spread globally. Given the level of training required to do the job safely, U.S. health authorities should consider designating a hospital in each region as the go-to facility for Ebola, they said.
"You don't scapegoat and blame when you have a disease outbreak," said Bonnie Castillo, a registered nurse and a disaster relief expert at National Nurses United, which serves as both a union and a professional association for U.S. nurses. "We have a system failure. That is what we have to correct."
In recent months, the CDC has published detailed guidelines on how to handle various aspects of Ebola, from lab specimens and infectious waste to the proper use of protective equipment.
How that information gets communicated to frontline workers, however, varies widely, Castillo said.
In many cases, hospitals "post something on a bulletin board referring workers and nurses to the CDC guidelines. That is not how you drill and practice and become expert," she said.
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Dr. Gavin Macgregor-Skinner, an expert on public health preparedness at Pennsylvania State University, also disagreed with the talk of a breach of protocol, saying it just puts the onus on the nurse.
"I think that is just wrong," said Macgregor-Skinner, who helped the Nigerian government train healthcare workers when a traveler from Liberia touched off an outbreak of Ebola this past summer.
“We haven't provided them with a national training program. We haven't provided them with the necessary experts that have actually worked in hospitals with Ebola," he added in reference to U.S. hospital staff.
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Sean Kaufman, president of Behavioral-Based Improvement Solutions in Atlanta, helped train healthcare staff at a special isolation unit at Atlanta's Emory University which treated U.S. aid workers Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the first two Ebola patients to be treated on U.S. soil.
He would observe the nurses and doctors as they cared for patients and keep detailed notes when someone would accidentally touch their sleeve or mask with an infected glove.
He then helped coach them through the process of carefully removing their infected gear. Facilities caring for Ebola patients are encouraged to use a buddy system so that colleagues are watching each other to make sure they don't take risks.
"Doctors and nurses get lost in patient care. They do things that put themselves at risk because their lens is patient-driven," Kaufman said. In Dallas, "I suspect no one was watching to make sure the people who were taking care of the patients were taking care of themselves," he said.
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:39 pm to NC_Tigah
He still thinks it's a bad idea to restrict air travel, too. That simply makes NO SENSE to me.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:40 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Good. I couldn't believe my ears when I saw the video of him saying, basically, "We don't know how the nurse got it but she must not have followed proper protocols in treating ebola."
CDC head slammed
I thought he was very much out of line blaming her after admitting he didn't know how she got it. It sure weakens any confidence I had that the CDC knows what it's doing.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:42 pm to KCT
quote:Meh. Restricting air travel every time there is a dangerous disease outbreak somewhere in the world would do more harm than good. Ebola is a unique case, obviously, but restricting air travel is not necessary IMO.
He still thinks it's a bad idea to restrict air travel, too. That simply makes NO SENSE to me.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:44 pm to NC_Tigah
I don't get it.
If she didn't follow proper safety protocol because she wasn't properly trained in the protocol, does that somehow make the statement that she got infected by not following the proper safety protocol - false?
If she didn't follow proper safety protocol because she wasn't properly trained in the protocol, does that somehow make the statement that she got infected by not following the proper safety protocol - false?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:45 pm to KCT
quote:
He still thinks it's a bad idea to restrict air travel, too. That simply makes NO SENSE to me.
I agree.
If people are forced to enter the country by sea travel - that just means a longer time for their fellow travellers to become infected. If they enter by land - it means they have the potential to spread the disease to Mexico or Canada on their way here. Air travel seems like the best option.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 12:58 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:No doubt.
I don't get it.
Read the part specifically bolded in the OP.
Then geaux post about a warm day somewhere
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:06 pm to NC_Tigah
The CDC is supposed to lead they way not blame and question. They are looking more and more like shills for Washinton DC politics than healthcare workers. I hope Texas Health has a voracious legal team tht has served notice to the CDC.
SO when influenza season kicks into high gear what will happen then?
SO when influenza season kicks into high gear what will happen then?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:07 pm to NC_Tigah
He needs to fricking go.
Somebody messes up worse than Mike Brown messed up Katrina? Should be gone. Today.
Somebody messes up worse than Mike Brown messed up Katrina? Should be gone. Today.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:07 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
"I suspect no one was watching to make sure the people who were taking care of the patients were taking care of themselves,"
......soooooooooo....failure to follow proper protocol is what caused the infection, is what you're saying?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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Somebody messes up worse than Mike Brown messed up Katrina?
Seriously?
1 dead vs almost 3000 ?
A love how a hurricane is 0% the federal government's responsibility when a Republican is President, but infectious disease is 100% the federal government's responsibility when a Democrat is President.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:08 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
If she didn't follow proper safety protocol because she wasn't properly trained in the protocol, does that somehow make the statement that she got infected by not following the proper safety protocol - false?
You're out of your element, Spidey.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:09 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
quote:
If she didn't follow proper safety protocol because she wasn't properly trained in the protocol, does that somehow make the statement that she got infected by not following the proper safety protocol - false?
You're out of your element, Spidey.
Is that a yes or a no or frick you I'm too stupid to answer?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:11 pm to SpidermanTUba
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1 dead vs almost 3000 ?
Where do you get your numbers? Louis Farrakhan?
1883 official, and in case you missed it - THE HURRICANE AND FLOODING DID THAT - not Mike Brown. He did mess up coordinating the federal, civilian part of the relief effort, but that only increased suffering and prolonged the recovery effort.
These people (Obama, CDC, TSA, HHS, etc.) have allowed Ebola to come to our hemisphere, infect our own and their errors of commission and omission will likely result in actual deaths of Americans.
There is no hurricane machine that Cheney and Bush used to whack New Orleans and "black people" - despite what Kanye says.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:15 pm to Ace Midnight
Have an upvote Ace.....
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:18 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:That is actually a pretty good idea.
Given the level of training required to do the job safely, U.S. health authorities should consider designating a hospital in each region as the go-to facility for Ebola, they said.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:20 pm to LSURussian
quote:You are being far too kind.
Good. I couldn't believe my ears when I saw the video of him saying, basically, "We don't know how the nurse got it but she must not have followed proper protocols in treating ebola."
The jackass actually said, "there was breach in protocol at some point."
Just stated it matter of factly. No "must have" to it.
He flatly said she breached protocol.
Now, it sounds like the CDC is giving the poor girl the 3rd degree (in her hospital isolation room) about "'inconsistencies' in the type of personal protective gear she wore and with the process used to put the gear on and remove it." As with Dr. Kent Brantley and others, they still have no idea as to how she contracted it. At least not yet.
However, THE CDC WOULD NOT HAVE TO QUIZ THIS NURSE AT ALL IF THEIR PROTOCOL INCLUDED MANDATORY PRESENCE OF EXPERT OBSERVERS especially during donning of protective gear, and removal of it. In other words, if the CDC protocol recommended the same safety measures it insists on with its own workers, there would not be a question.
Of course there might not be an infected 26y/o RN either.
This post was edited on 10/13/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:24 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:
I'm too stupid to answer
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:26 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:You're right. That is how he worded it.
You are being far too kind.
The jackass actually said, "there was breach in protocol at some point."
Just stated it matter of factly. No "must have" to it.
He flatly said she breached protocol.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 1:29 pm to SpidermanTUba
quote:Seriously, the people who died in Katrina had plenty of warning to get out of the way. The deaths were not the responsibility of government. The first ebola death is hard to blame on the government, but any subsequent deaths may be the result of poor government decisions.
Seriously? 1 dead vs almost 3000 ?
quote:A President cannot control the weather. A President can control entry to the United States. Think about it.
A love how a hurricane is 0% the federal government's responsibility when a Republican is President, but infectious disease is 100% the federal government's responsibility when a Democrat is President.
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