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re: CBS reporter goes to China to check out its economy and technology
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:56 am to Thecoz
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:56 am to Thecoz
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they are becoming leaders on medical and as medical procedures benefit more from technology like ai .. robotics etc.. they are stepping ahead
How are they stepping ahead when they can't even compete in fundamental technologies like chip manufacturing? They can't even produce the raw materials at sufficient quality, instead having to import something as simple as the steel forgings for high-speed train wheels. They also can't produce the precision CNC machining cells to compete with America, Japan, or Europe.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 11:59 am to Powerman
quote:And this is different from our political leaders, how?
Putin does what is best for himself. His people are a secondary consideration.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:08 pm to Clames
Google medical tourism .. China
You will get various feeds discussing it..
It has been in place for a while ..
Big reason they can do this.. their leader sees it as a way to dominate a commerce stream..
You will get various feeds discussing it..
It has been in place for a while ..
Big reason they can do this.. their leader sees it as a way to dominate a commerce stream..
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:09 pm to John Barron
quote:The irony in this post is overwhelming.
None of it upsets me at all. If you were truly being serious and not sarcastic then I truly feel Sad for you because you have a Mental Disorder. You deny reality when presented with clear evidence no matter the subject.
You can better Eric
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:14 pm to John Barron
This is propaganda.
It’s not that the US can’t do this.
It’s why the frick would we do this?
Can you imagine thousands of these flying around New York or Chicago or Los Angeles? Add Chinesium on top of all that chaos. And you get mid air collisions every hour.
It’s not that the US can’t do this.
It’s why the frick would we do this?
Can you imagine thousands of these flying around New York or Chicago or Los Angeles? Add Chinesium on top of all that chaos. And you get mid air collisions every hour.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:18 pm to John Barron
quote:
I mean, it's CBS News not some Chinese Infomercial.
You mean the network that selectively edited a Kamala Harris interview to make her answers seem coherent? The one that had a nightly news anchor resign in disgrace due to airing false documents about Bush?
When will you people ever break free from programming??? Why must you people keep returning to it? Why???
Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:25 pm to Clames
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One of China's big auto makers, Huawei,

Huawei does not build Cars. They are a tech company. Ironic you mentioned low IQ...Anymore fairy tales you care to share? Are you referring to the NIO ET9?
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Posted on 5/3/25 at 12:36 pm to John Barron
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Clames
Since you referred to "Huawei" as China's big auto maker

The NIO ET9 and Mercedes-Maybach S-Class have been compared in viral suspension tests, showcasing the ET9's advanced SkyRide active electro-hydraulic suspension against the Maybach's system. In tests conducted by automotive content creators like DriveVerse, vehicles drive over speed bumps with stacked objects—champagne glasses or Jenga blocks—placed on them to measure stability.
NIO ET9 Performance: The ET9 consistently outperformed the Maybach, maintaining remarkable stability. Its SkyRide chassis, capable of 1,000 torque adjustments per second and individual wheel control, kept champagne glasses upright and Jenga towers intact without spilling or toppling. The system uses a 22 cm suspension travel and rapid 50-millisecond response time, aided by NIO’s SkyOS and fast-processing chips for low latency. The ET9’s 925V architecture and ClearMotion-derived suspension technology (originally from Bose) contribute to its ability to glide over bumps.
Maybach Performance: The Maybach S580, equipped with E-Active Body Control (optional on some models), showed significant body movement, causing champagne glasses and Jenga towers to collapse in tests. Critics noted that the Maybach’s system relies on road-scanning cameras, which may be obstructed in convoy tests (e.g., by the ET9 ahead or stacked objects), potentially limiting its effectiveness. Older Maybach models or those without active suspension performed notably worse.
Controversy: Allegations of cheating surfaced, claiming speed bumps were spaced to match the ET9’s 3,250 mm wheelbase, favoring its stability. NIO’s CEO, William Li, refuted this, stating half the bumps were set for the ET9’s wheelbase and half for the Maybach’s, challenging skeptics to replicate the test. Despite the controversy, the ET9’s performance was widely praised for its smoothness.
Context: The ET9, priced at $112,000, targets the luxury market dominated by the Maybach ($200,000+). Its 707 hp, 120 kWh battery, and steer-by-wire tech position it as a tech-forward rival. The tests highlight NIO’s ambition to redefine luxury with superior ride quality at a lower cost.
Conclusion: The NIO ET9’s SkyRide suspension demonstrates a clear edge over the Maybach in controlled speed bump tests, offering exceptional stability. However, real-world conditions (e.g., potholes, uneven roads) and the Maybach’s brand prestige may influence perceptions. For raw suspension performance, the ET9 sets a high bar.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:04 pm to Thecoz
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Joby and archer are the leaders here in the states.. they both have contracts with airlines.. uber.. military.. palinter etc…
Delivery.. killing …. Spying… and taxis are big business.. they have solid business plans published on their websites.
Well, all of that except taxis is fine. Taxis are not commercially applicable here, because our airspaces are either controlled, or they require a pilot with a license. You can’t just fly drone taxis over American cities. China probably has a much less trafficked air space.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:09 pm to John Barron
Look at Chyna John collecting checks
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:23 pm to Penrod
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Taxis are not commercially applicable here
This is not true. They are applicable but because China is ahead on these newer technologies the cost are lower for them. We will have autonomous flying Taxis in the US but probably not until 2030. This is a great breakdown by Grok 3
China vs. U.S. Autonomous Flying Taxis: Overview and Cost Factors
The autonomous flying taxi market, a subset of electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) technology, is advancing rapidly in both China and the U.S., but the two countries differ significantly in regulatory progress, commercial deployment, and cost structures. Below is a comparative analysis focusing on autonomy and cost factors, drawing on available data.
1. Market and Regulatory Landscape
China
Regulatory Leadership: China has taken a global lead in certifying autonomous eVTOLs. The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) issued the world’s first type certificate for an autonomous eVTOL, EHang’s EH216-S, in October 2023, followed by production and air operator certificates in April 2024. These approvals enable commercial passenger operations, starting with tourism routes in cities like Guangzhou and Hefei by mid-2025.
Commercial Deployment: EHang and Hefei Hey Airlines are set to launch autonomous flying taxi services in 2025, initially for low-altitude tourism, with plans to expand to urban commuting by 2030-2035. China’s “low-altitude economy” policy supports this growth, projecting a market worth 1.5 trillion yuan ($207 billion) by 2025 and 2.5 trillion yuan by 2035.
Key Players: EHang, Xpeng AeroHT, and AutoFlight are leading, with EHang’s EH216-S being the first fully autonomous eVTOL certified for passenger transport. Xpeng aims for mass production by 2026.
United States
Regulatory Progress: The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has established rules for “powered-lift” vehicles, including eVTOLs, but lags behind China in certifying fully autonomous systems. The FAA’s Advanced Air Mobility (AAM) plan targets commercial eVTOL operations by 2028, with initial services likely requiring pilots.
Commercial Deployment: Companies like Archer Aviation and Joby Aviation are targeting 2025 for piloted eVTOL services, with routes like Manhattan to Newark (Archer/United Airlines) and Chicago O’Hare to downtown. Autonomous operations are further out, likely post-2030, due to stringent safety and regulatory hurdles.
Key Players: Archer, Joby, Wisk (Boeing-backed), and Lilium are prominent, but none have fully autonomous certifications yet. Archer’s Midnight and Joby’s air taxis are in advanced testing, with FAA Part 135 certification progress.
Summary: China is ahead in autonomous eVTOL certification and deployment, with commercial services starting in 2025, while the U.S. prioritizes piloted operations and aims for autonomy later.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:23 pm to John Barron
quote:
They got Flying Taxis
They fly between high rise ghost towns. Build it, and they will fly over it
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:27 pm to John Barron
3. Cost Factors
Vehicle Acquisition Costs
China:
EHang EH216-S: Priced at 2.39 million yuan (~$333,000) in China, reduced from an initial $1.3 million to compete globally. Overseas, it’s $410,000.
Xpeng Voyager X2: Estimated at ~$230,000 when commercially available, potentially undercutting EHang.
Government Support: Subsidies, infrastructure investments, and a robust EV ecosystem lower production costs. China’s dominance in battery manufacturing (e.g., lithium-ion packs at $160-$200/kWh) reduces eVTOL costs.
United States:
Archer Midnight/Joby eVTOLs: Estimated at $1 million+ per unit, though exact figures are undisclosed. High costs stem from R&D, stringent FAA compliance, and limited economies of scale.
Wisk eVTOL: Likely in a similar range, with added costs for autonomous system integration.
Market Dynamics: Higher labor costs, regulatory compliance, and less government subsidy compared to China increase acquisition costs. Battery packs for U.S. eVTOLs are also pricier due to reliance on global supply chains.
Example Comparison:
A Level 4 autonomous electric truck in China costs ~$250,000 vs. $450,000 in the U.S., a ~80% premium, driven by differences in battery costs, labor, and regulation. Similar trends apply to eVTOLs.
China’s EH216-S at $333,000 is roughly one-third the cost of a U.S. eVTOL, giving Chinese firms a competitive edge.
Operational Costs
China:
Lower Costs: Autonomy eliminates pilot salaries, and electric propulsion reduces fuel costs. EHang’s EH216-S has a 25-minute flight duration and low maintenance due to its carbon-fiber fuselage and simplified design.
Infrastructure: China’s investment in vertiports and 5G networks lowers operational overhead. For example, Guangzhou and Hefei have dedicated low-altitude tourism zones.
Ride Pricing: EHang has not disclosed exact ride costs, but 3-10 minute tourism flights are expected to be affordable to attract volume. Estimates suggest $50-$100 per ride, competitive with premium ground transport.
United States:
Higher Costs: Piloted operations require trained pilots, increasing labor costs. Electric propulsion is cost-efficient, but vertiport development and air traffic management systems are expensive.
Infrastructure: Vertiports are in early planning (e.g., Archer’s Newark hub), with high land and construction costs in U.S. cities.
Ride Pricing: Archer/United’s planned Manhattan-Newark route is estimated at $100-$200 per passenger for a 10-20 minute flight, reflecting higher operational costs. Autonomous systems could lower this to $50-$100 long-term.
Vehicle Acquisition Costs
China:
EHang EH216-S: Priced at 2.39 million yuan (~$333,000) in China, reduced from an initial $1.3 million to compete globally. Overseas, it’s $410,000.
Xpeng Voyager X2: Estimated at ~$230,000 when commercially available, potentially undercutting EHang.
Government Support: Subsidies, infrastructure investments, and a robust EV ecosystem lower production costs. China’s dominance in battery manufacturing (e.g., lithium-ion packs at $160-$200/kWh) reduces eVTOL costs.
United States:
Archer Midnight/Joby eVTOLs: Estimated at $1 million+ per unit, though exact figures are undisclosed. High costs stem from R&D, stringent FAA compliance, and limited economies of scale.
Wisk eVTOL: Likely in a similar range, with added costs for autonomous system integration.
Market Dynamics: Higher labor costs, regulatory compliance, and less government subsidy compared to China increase acquisition costs. Battery packs for U.S. eVTOLs are also pricier due to reliance on global supply chains.
Example Comparison:
A Level 4 autonomous electric truck in China costs ~$250,000 vs. $450,000 in the U.S., a ~80% premium, driven by differences in battery costs, labor, and regulation. Similar trends apply to eVTOLs.
China’s EH216-S at $333,000 is roughly one-third the cost of a U.S. eVTOL, giving Chinese firms a competitive edge.
Operational Costs
China:
Lower Costs: Autonomy eliminates pilot salaries, and electric propulsion reduces fuel costs. EHang’s EH216-S has a 25-minute flight duration and low maintenance due to its carbon-fiber fuselage and simplified design.
Infrastructure: China’s investment in vertiports and 5G networks lowers operational overhead. For example, Guangzhou and Hefei have dedicated low-altitude tourism zones.
Ride Pricing: EHang has not disclosed exact ride costs, but 3-10 minute tourism flights are expected to be affordable to attract volume. Estimates suggest $50-$100 per ride, competitive with premium ground transport.
United States:
Higher Costs: Piloted operations require trained pilots, increasing labor costs. Electric propulsion is cost-efficient, but vertiport development and air traffic management systems are expensive.
Infrastructure: Vertiports are in early planning (e.g., Archer’s Newark hub), with high land and construction costs in U.S. cities.
Ride Pricing: Archer/United’s planned Manhattan-Newark route is estimated at $100-$200 per passenger for a 10-20 minute flight, reflecting higher operational costs. Autonomous systems could lower this to $50-$100 long-term.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:29 pm to John Barron
Total Cost of Ownership (TCO)
China: Lower TCO due to cheaper vehicles, government-backed infrastructure, and autonomy. For example, electric truck TCO in China benefits from subsidies and lower fuel costs ($371,429 vs. $336,576 in the U.S. for Level 0 trucks), and eVTOLs follow a similar pattern.
United States: Higher TCO due to expensive vehicles, regulatory compliance, and infrastructure costs. Autonomous systems will reduce TCO, but not until post-2030.
Example from Related Industry:
Chinese robotaxis (e.g., Baidu’s sixth-gen) cost ~$34,300 to manufacture, 20%-30% less than Waymo’s $100,000-$200,000 per unit, reflecting China’s cost advantages in autonomous tech. This suggests Chinese autonomous eVTOLs may maintain a similar edge.
4. Key Cost Drivers
Regulation:
China: Streamlined CAAC processes and government support accelerate certification, reducing R&D and compliance costs.
U.S.: Stringent FAA standards increase testing and certification costs, delaying autonomy and raising prices.
Manufacturing:
China: Lower labor costs, mature EV supply chains, and economies of scale (e.g., battery production) drive down costs.
U.S.: Higher labor and material costs, plus reliance on global suppliers, inflate prices.
Infrastructure:
China: State-funded vertiports and 5G networks reduce operator costs.
U.S.: Private-funded infrastructure and urban land costs increase expenses.
Autonomy:
China: Early adoption of full autonomy cuts labor costs and scales operations.
U.S.: Delayed autonomy keeps pilot-related costs high in the near term.
5. Challenges and Risks
China:
Safety and Public Trust: EHang’s EH216-S faces restrictions (e.g., no flights over dense urban areas or at night), and any incidents could harm adoption.
Global Expansion: Chinese eVTOLs may struggle in Western markets due to FAA/EASA regulations and geopolitical concerns.
United States:
Regulatory Delays: FAA’s cautious approach may cede market share to China.
Cost Barriers: High initial fares ($100-$200) limit accessibility, delaying mass adoption.
6. Future Outlook
China: Likely to dominate autonomous eVTOLs in the short term, with EHang and Xpeng scaling tourism and urban routes by 2030. Cost advantages will drive adoption in Asia and emerging markets.
United States: Will lead in piloted eVTOLs by 2025, with autonomy catching up post-2030. Cost reductions depend on infrastructure investment and regulatory agility.
Cost Convergence: As U.S. firms scale and autonomy matures, the cost gap may narrow, but China’s head start and subsidies will maintain an edge through 2035.
Conclusion
China leads in autonomous flying taxis, with EHang’s EH216-S already certified for commercial use at a significantly lower cost ($333,000 per unit) than U.S. eVTOLs ($1 million+). Government support, cheaper manufacturing, and early autonomy give China a cost advantage, with ride prices potentially half those in the U.S. ($50-$100 vs. $100-$200). The U.S. excels in piloted eVTOLs and has a robust innovation ecosystem but faces higher costs and regulatory delays for autonomy. By 2030, China’s low-altitude economy will likely outpace the U.S. in autonomous deployments, unless the FAA accelerates certifications.
China: Lower TCO due to cheaper vehicles, government-backed infrastructure, and autonomy. For example, electric truck TCO in China benefits from subsidies and lower fuel costs ($371,429 vs. $336,576 in the U.S. for Level 0 trucks), and eVTOLs follow a similar pattern.
United States: Higher TCO due to expensive vehicles, regulatory compliance, and infrastructure costs. Autonomous systems will reduce TCO, but not until post-2030.
Example from Related Industry:
Chinese robotaxis (e.g., Baidu’s sixth-gen) cost ~$34,300 to manufacture, 20%-30% less than Waymo’s $100,000-$200,000 per unit, reflecting China’s cost advantages in autonomous tech. This suggests Chinese autonomous eVTOLs may maintain a similar edge.
4. Key Cost Drivers
Regulation:
China: Streamlined CAAC processes and government support accelerate certification, reducing R&D and compliance costs.
U.S.: Stringent FAA standards increase testing and certification costs, delaying autonomy and raising prices.
Manufacturing:
China: Lower labor costs, mature EV supply chains, and economies of scale (e.g., battery production) drive down costs.
U.S.: Higher labor and material costs, plus reliance on global suppliers, inflate prices.
Infrastructure:
China: State-funded vertiports and 5G networks reduce operator costs.
U.S.: Private-funded infrastructure and urban land costs increase expenses.
Autonomy:
China: Early adoption of full autonomy cuts labor costs and scales operations.
U.S.: Delayed autonomy keeps pilot-related costs high in the near term.
5. Challenges and Risks
China:
Safety and Public Trust: EHang’s EH216-S faces restrictions (e.g., no flights over dense urban areas or at night), and any incidents could harm adoption.
Global Expansion: Chinese eVTOLs may struggle in Western markets due to FAA/EASA regulations and geopolitical concerns.
United States:
Regulatory Delays: FAA’s cautious approach may cede market share to China.
Cost Barriers: High initial fares ($100-$200) limit accessibility, delaying mass adoption.
6. Future Outlook
China: Likely to dominate autonomous eVTOLs in the short term, with EHang and Xpeng scaling tourism and urban routes by 2030. Cost advantages will drive adoption in Asia and emerging markets.
United States: Will lead in piloted eVTOLs by 2025, with autonomy catching up post-2030. Cost reductions depend on infrastructure investment and regulatory agility.
Cost Convergence: As U.S. firms scale and autonomy matures, the cost gap may narrow, but China’s head start and subsidies will maintain an edge through 2035.
Conclusion
China leads in autonomous flying taxis, with EHang’s EH216-S already certified for commercial use at a significantly lower cost ($333,000 per unit) than U.S. eVTOLs ($1 million+). Government support, cheaper manufacturing, and early autonomy give China a cost advantage, with ride prices potentially half those in the U.S. ($50-$100 vs. $100-$200). The U.S. excels in piloted eVTOLs and has a robust innovation ecosystem but faces higher costs and regulatory delays for autonomy. By 2030, China’s low-altitude economy will likely outpace the U.S. in autonomous deployments, unless the FAA accelerates certifications.
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:38 pm to John Barron
quote:
while the U.S. prioritizes piloted operations and aims for autonomy later.
That’s about what I said, and for the same reasons - our airspaces are either is not conducive to this. We will have piloted taxis. Well, guess what…we’ve had those for decades; Kobe Bryant was killed in one.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 1:46 pm to Penrod
“Well, all of that except taxis is fine”
Original published plans are taxis more for getting people from staging areas into density populated areas..
Thus the significant financial investments from a few airlines and uber.. airlines will have services from offsite airport location to cities .. drop points throughout the area..
uber sees the opportunity to be at the offsite location and get you to your specific point of destination from there..
Sounds reasonable.. idk.. will see .. first plan is to integrate into a commuting plan and not so
much the jetsons model yet.
I can only imagine what military and palinter are up to
Original published plans are taxis more for getting people from staging areas into density populated areas..
Thus the significant financial investments from a few airlines and uber.. airlines will have services from offsite airport location to cities .. drop points throughout the area..
uber sees the opportunity to be at the offsite location and get you to your specific point of destination from there..
Sounds reasonable.. idk.. will see .. first plan is to integrate into a commuting plan and not so
much the jetsons model yet.
I can only imagine what military and palinter are up to
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:10 pm to John Barron
quote:
Huawei does not build Cars.
LINK
So what is the Huawei Maextro S800? That's not a car? That's not Huawei?
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:19 pm to John Barron
quote:
I had Grok 3 do the analysis of NIO ET9 vs Maybach S580 that you are probably referencing
Why do you keep saying "I had Grok 3 do the analysis..."? All you did was punch in a question no different than using a search engine? You really think everyone here can't tell you are full of shite?
No, I was thinking of the Huawei Maextro S800 vs the Maybach S680 that was recently exposed as a bullshite CCP publicity stump that is so obvious and painfully poorly executed that they are now trying to sue the person they borrowed the Maybach from for expising them. Not much of a company if they can't even buy their own Maybach to test with.
LINK /
Everything about China being superior in any technology is just bullshite. People like the OP are just shills that can do nothing but peddle canned responses or beg an AI search engine for help. Notice how he runs to Grok yet wasn't he pushing China's AI technology as superior last month?
This post was edited on 5/3/25 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:30 pm to Clames
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So what is the Huawei Maextro S800? That's not a car? That's not Huawei?
No. Huawei did not build the Maextro S800. JAC Group (Anhui Jianghuai Automobile Group) handled chassis development and manufacturing of the vehicle. Huawei did contribute to the technological aspects of the car like AI. Like I said, they are a technology company, not "One of China's big auto makers" like you claimed.
Posted on 5/3/25 at 2:35 pm to Clames
quote:
No, I was thinking of the Huawei Maextro S800 vs the Maybach S680 that was recently exposed as a bullshite CCP publicity stump that is so obvious and painfully poorly executed that they are now trying to sue the person they borrowed the Maybach from for expising them. Not much of a company if they can't even buy their own Maybach to test with.

You should get your facts straight. The guy is actually demanding money from JAC corporation when his car was rented from a third party. Clearly a money grab
Alleged Unauthorized Testing:
On February 24, 2025, a Douyin user, claiming to be the S680’s owner, posted a video accusing Maextro of using their vehicle for “violent driving and testing” without consent, causing damage to the front and wheel hubs. They provided GPS tracking and photos as evidence, demanding compensation.
JAC Group’s Response: On February 25, JAC stated the test data was “authentic and reliable,” and the S680 was rented through formal third-party channels with its purpose clearly stated.
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