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re: CBO releases new $15 min wage analysis: adds 58 billion to deficit, costs 1.4 million jobs
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:20 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:20 pm to Stonehog
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Why is this so personal for you? I don’t even know you.
Subhuman scum deserve to be reminded that it is subhuman scum.
Still can’t answer why you think people will go against basic human nature eh?
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:25 pm to Stonehog
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You guys want sympathy for landlords, but not people making $7.25 an hour. And you call me subhuman scum
Another non-logical appeal to emotion fallacy from the dimwit.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:25 pm to Jbird
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What happens to the cost of said goods and services?
They go up. But household income went up under Trump too and I didn’t see anyone bitching about higher prices for goods and services.
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Does a 15-16 year old kid in West Virginia deserve 15 bucks an hour as a first job mowing lawns for a lawn service?
Why not? $15 isn’t the amount of money you guys are making it out to be.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:25 pm to Stonehog
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Why is this so personal for you? I don’t even know you.
It's not personal. You're just one dumb bastard. That's just fact.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:27 pm to BiteMe2020
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Another non-logical appeal to emotion fallacy from the dimwit.
Says the guy using an ad hominem fallacy.
Y’all have been making emotional arguments throughout this entire thread.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:27 pm to Stonehog
quote:Interesting.
But household income went up under Trump
quote:I wonder why?
I didn’t see anyone bitching about higher prices for goods and services.
quote:It is for the guy paying little junior and a half a dozen other juniors. Sad sidesteps by you. Should have expected as much.
Why not? $15 isn’t the amount of money you guys are making it out to be.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:27 pm to Stonehog
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They go up. But household income went up under Trump too and I didn’t see anyone bitching about higher prices for goods and services.
Amazing. The market managed increase wages under Trump by not selling out to foreigners.
The market works. See? You're so stupid, you're making an argument for the free markets by insinuating that none of us are for higher wages, lol.
We're against artificially higher wages that the market cannot support. And here you've demonstrated you're too stupid to see the distinction.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:27 pm to BiteMe2020
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It's not personal. You're just one dumb bastard. That's just fact.
Some of y’all have serious anger issues.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:29 pm to Stonehog
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Y’all have been making emotional arguments throughout this entire thread.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:32 pm to Stonehog
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Some of y’all have serious anger issues.
That's just fact. Not anger. You really are a moron.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:36 pm to BiteMe2020
It’s a fact that there are pros and cons to raising the minimum wage, but you guys ran in here to start shouting that there are no pros, only cons. That’s an emotional argument. An intelligent argument from your side could have been yes there are pros and cons, but the cons outweigh the pros. See how simple that was?
Instead y’all started screaming like a bunch of harpies.
Instead y’all started screaming like a bunch of harpies.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:39 pm to Stonehog
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Y’all have been making emotional arguments throughout this entire thread.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:39 pm to Stonehog
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ran in here to start shouting
quote:Questions brah questions.
That’s an emotional argument.
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Instead y’all started screaming like a bunch of harpies.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:43 pm to Stonehog
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Stonehog
Can I ask you a serious question? Does it hurt to be as stupid as you are? Like, do you feel physical pain due to your stupidity? Seems like it would at least make your head hurt.
TIA
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:45 pm to Darth_Vader
All I said was there are pros and cons to raising the minimum wage. I’m in favor of raising it. If that upsets you, then I’m really not sure how you make it through a normal day.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 12:46 pm to Stonehog
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Rising Unit Labor Cost in Your Small Business An increase in your small business’ unit labor cost means your productivity is decreasing. Productivity is the efficiency with which you generate output using certain inputs. The increase in unit labor cost may result in higher expenses compared to revenue. Unless you decrease other expenses or increase your selling prices to increase your revenue, your profit will decrease. Investigate the cause to determine how you can decrease your unit labor cost and regain your previous level of productivity.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:04 pm to Stonehog
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Y’all have been making emotional arguments throughout this entire thread.
Why.
Would.
Someone.
Go.
Against.
Human.
Nature.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:06 pm to Stonehog
Raising the minimum wage has a number of serious and negative unintended consequences. Employers, especially small family and midsize businesses, will be disproportionately hurt by the extra costs incurred. The local neighborhood stores and businesses with razor-thin profits will be forced to raise prices to make up for the addition labor costs. With the increased prices, customers may elect to take their business elsewhere. Losing customers means losing income, which could result in the business having to layoff workers.
Large corporations with big budgets will weigh the increased labor costs and elect to invest in technology to displace workers. This trend will soon become prevalent in the food service industry, hospitality, retail, construction and manufacturing. Amazon recently opened up several prototype Amazon Go stores that are self described as “a new kind of store featuring the world's most advanced shopping technology. No lines, no checkout—just grab and go!” Fast food chains and large department stores will follow suit and implement self-service checkout to save costs.
We have a steady stream of immigrants coming into the United States, which is good news. However, as anyone who lives in a suburb recognizes, there are many people working at jobs that would ordinarily pay minimum wage, but unscrupulous business owners compensate people in cash far under the minimum wage. This practice closes the door to opportunities for young people, students and mothers returning to the workforce to get a job.
A rough back-of-the-envelope calculation of a typical restaurant that employs workers at $15 an hour exemplifies the unintended consequences of the minimum wage increase. If employees work eight hours a day each week, over the course of one year, the labor costs will be $436,800. This does not include insurance costs, benefits, payroll and other taxes. Most service-sector businesses have thin margins and an increase in this magnitude could close the company. If the restaurant raises prices too high, then they’ll lose their customers to other restaurants that either pay people under the table—skirting the laws—or deploy technology.
While some people may benefit with an increase in their hourly earnings, other employees will be let go to save costs. Employers may elect to cut hours across the board for everyone. Whichever way the employer goes, some of the workers will be in a worse situation. Seattle’s move to $15 an hour, a few years ago, resulted in workers given fewer hours and experiencing a net loss in pay.
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Large corporations with big budgets will weigh the increased labor costs and elect to invest in technology to displace workers. This trend will soon become prevalent in the food service industry, hospitality, retail, construction and manufacturing. Amazon recently opened up several prototype Amazon Go stores that are self described as “a new kind of store featuring the world's most advanced shopping technology. No lines, no checkout—just grab and go!” Fast food chains and large department stores will follow suit and implement self-service checkout to save costs.
We have a steady stream of immigrants coming into the United States, which is good news. However, as anyone who lives in a suburb recognizes, there are many people working at jobs that would ordinarily pay minimum wage, but unscrupulous business owners compensate people in cash far under the minimum wage. This practice closes the door to opportunities for young people, students and mothers returning to the workforce to get a job.
A rough back-of-the-envelope calculation of a typical restaurant that employs workers at $15 an hour exemplifies the unintended consequences of the minimum wage increase. If employees work eight hours a day each week, over the course of one year, the labor costs will be $436,800. This does not include insurance costs, benefits, payroll and other taxes. Most service-sector businesses have thin margins and an increase in this magnitude could close the company. If the restaurant raises prices too high, then they’ll lose their customers to other restaurants that either pay people under the table—skirting the laws—or deploy technology.
While some people may benefit with an increase in their hourly earnings, other employees will be let go to save costs. Employers may elect to cut hours across the board for everyone. Whichever way the employer goes, some of the workers will be in a worse situation. Seattle’s move to $15 an hour, a few years ago, resulted in workers given fewer hours and experiencing a net loss in pay.
LINK
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:23 pm to Stonehog
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All I said was there are pros and cons to raising the minimum wage. I’m in favor of raising it. If that upsets you, then I’m really not sure how you make it through a normal day.
There are no pros. So, you're wrong. We make it through days just fine, idiots like you notwithstanding.
You clearly don't care about actual laws of economics or how businesses run, lol.
Posted on 2/9/21 at 1:33 pm to Stonehog
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Says the guy using an ad hominem fallacy.
Y’all have been making emotional arguments throughout this entire thread.
My ad hominem was a statement about you, not the minimum wage, and ergo is not a fallacy. You are indeed one stupid frick.
Now you're just demonstrating that you don't know what a logical fallacy is. Which proves my point.
Minimum wage is NOT a dumb idea solely because you're a moron. It's dumb for the other reasons I've put forth which you've ignored.
The facts remain.
1) You're a moron.
2) Minimum wage is destructive.
Those are not combined arguments. One does not depend on the other. Your incredible stupidity could indeed exist in a hypothetical world where minimum wage is a good idea and unicorns shite skittles from the air for the little kids to eat for free.
That's just not the case here.
This post was edited on 2/9/21 at 1:37 pm
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