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California proves what will happen if wealth taxes are considered

Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:34 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
69385 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:34 am
And no, that's not a typo. This is just if they are considered, before even being completely implemented.

I hate that this guy can't figure out how to capitalize the first word of a sentence, but he describes the study well so I'm living with it. The study he's referencing is only 50 pages long if you want to review the findings for yourself. LINK



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this California wealth tax thing is just incredible.

so in October 2025, a California healthcare union proposed a "one time" 5% tax on any billionaire's wealth. the ballot measure will be voted on next month. In early December 2025, California announced that it would be a retroactive tax if passed, applying to anyone with CA residency as of Jan 1, 2026. The objective is to pay for Medi-Cal, California's incredibly dysfunctional healthcare system. (which also functions as a glorified welfare apparatus, but that's a discussion for another time).

polls reveal that the CA electorate is split around 50/50 on the tax, but prediction markets only give Prop 40 a ~23% chance of passing (there are competing measures on the ballet that would nullify it).

there are 200 billionaires in CA, worth collectively somewhere between $2.3 and $2.6 trillion. 5% of that is around $100b, accounting for a small amount of attrition. proponents of the tax forecasted a significant windfall, assuming only a 10% departure rate.

supporters thought they were being clever with the retroactive concept. no billionares would leave CA in the few short months between the tax being proposed and the residency cutoff date, without the tax even having passed yet, right?

well as it turns out, they did.

a new paper [1] from two academics at Stanford called "The Net Present Value of the California Billionaire Tax Act", argues that not only did more billionaires leave due to the proposed tax than its proponents expected, but that the value of the tax, if it does pass, is actually negative.

proponents of the tax only assumed 10% avoidance, that is, only 10% of the taxable base of targeted billionaires would leave CA within the very short Oct-Dec 2025 window. Jaros and Rauh, the Stanford academics, find that a lower bound of 28.6% of the taxable base managed to leave.

just based on known departures, those departures total $577b in net worth, or $28.8b in potential tax lost. this of course does not capture everyone (many left without announcing their departure), so the authors normalize to departure rates estimated from other wealth tax events, and apply other discounts for litigation, arriving arrive at a figure of only $28-$36b in forecasted tax revenues.

but this isn't all! all of the income taxes paid by the departed billionaires are also forsaken. the authors estimate that CA billionaires pay $3.3- 5.8b in annual income taxes. they assume a midpoint of $2b lost in annual collections from departed billionaires. the net present value of that lost income stream is -$68.9 billion.

so when you add it all up you get:

+ $30b one-time tax windfall (estimated)
- $69b in present value of lost future income taxes
= - 38.9b overall net present value of the tax

of course, this analysis is highly estimate driven. the authors simulate the parameters 100k times and find a negative NPV of the implemented tax 85 percent of the time.

and if the tax doesn't pass, which it's not looking like it will, California still ended up losing at least $577b in departed net worth, and they have permanently poisoned the well with entrepreneurs who will now worry about future wealth taxes.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
39497 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:45 am to
Just one more big tax bro

Promise bro

It will fix everything bro

Trust us bro

Just one more tax.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
69385 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:47 am to
quote:

Just one more big tax bro

Promise bro

It will fix everything bro

Trust us bro

Just one more tax.


And in this case, they're actually LOSING money simply by considering it, and would still end up losing money if it passed. Of course, that assumed politicians didn't lie about it being a "one time" tax, which we all know would be a foolish assumption, but the authors of this study did take that assumption at face value and still proved this is a bad idea.
Posted by MMauler
Primary This RINO Traitor
Member since Jun 2013
24913 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:48 am to
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I hate that this guy can't figure out how to capitalize the first word of a sentence


When I use my voice recognition software (instead of manually typing), it tends to do that. Even typing out this paragraph, I’ve had to go back twice and manually capitalize the first word of each sentence.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
69385 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:49 am to
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When I use my voice recognition software (instead of manually typing), it tends to do that.


I see. That actually makes sense. Maybe that's what he did here.
Posted by Novastar
Member since Jan 2023
1120 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:52 am to
California + Democrats =

I hope this passes and these folks get what they deserve.
Posted by Tigersforthee
Member since Dec 2025
720 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 8:54 am to
Yeah but if they nationalize this tax and threaten prison for anyone who tries to flee the country then they'll get all of the evil billionaire cash to give to their friends. And dont think the same people who would cheer your death would hesitate to throw rich people in prison for tax evasion.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
69385 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 9:22 am to
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Yeah but if they nationalize this tax and threaten prison for anyone who tries to flee the country then they'll get all of the evil billionaire cash to give to their friends. And dont think the same people who would cheer your death would hesitate to throw rich people in prison for tax evasion.


There are definitely a good number of Democrats who would support this.

"But hey, at least they're not Republicans, right?"
-board "moderates"
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
8227 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 9:29 am to
Morons.

Any millionaire who is worth their salt would engineer a process where their

wealth would not be taxable.
Posted by tigersmanager
Member since Jun 2010
12367 posts
Posted on 10/21/26 at 12:30 pm to
Yep
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