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Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:29 pm to Jjdoc
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Our federal government was funded by tariffs.
They also ate ice cream.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:34 pm to Penrod
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Where is your math, SDV?
Im not the one claiming its going to increase costs on daily used goods that would wreck the economy
If I did I would provide math clown
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There is not one guy on this board who could make an effective argument either way WITH MATH.
Not one of you have even attempted to do it and I assume its for a good reason
Rogerthecucker used rhe leftwing talking point about 800bil a year and that came out to 800 per person per year or $2 dollars a day
If that was the math please explain how tariffs are evil
Posted on 3/25/25 at 4:41 pm to Ten Bears
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Cool... so I can assume you will be advocating for the elimination of the 40-hour week, overtime pay, child labor laws, and all environmental and safety regulations, as well?
That is a fallacy. It's not an either or. That's just like saying we would not have cell phones and internet without free trade. Just a horrible fallacy.
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Regardless, our per capita GDP, adjusted for inflation, is 6 times higher NOW than it was then. Our SOL is much higher now than it has ever been. There are more wealthy people as a percentage of population NOW than there was then.
Lol. You are full of fallacies today.
First I give a date, and you decided to retreat almost 3 decades prior to. But that's ok. Your flaw is simply this, you think the future from 1914 til now would not have been as good. Fact is, you do not know.
That applies to the rest of your post. You believe that we would have remained in the 1900s.
Try again.
This post was edited on 3/25/25 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:02 pm to Jjdoc
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That is a fallacy. It's not an either or. That's just like saying we would not have cell phones and internet without free trade. Just a horrible fallacy.
Lawd, if you think that that the economic growth and wealth creation of the Gilded Age (1870-1914) didn't spawn from horrid labor conditions, low wages, child labor, etc, well....can't help you there. But keep thinking those tariffs generated all that "wealth."
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First I give a date, and you decided to retreat almost 3 decades prior to. But that's ok.
2 decades, and the data doesn't significantly change from 1890 to the wonderful magical year of 1914. Yet, there is something that happened in 1914. I cannot put my finger on it but it lasted for 4 years or so.
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, you think the future from 1914 til now would not have been as good. Fact is, you do not know.
I never claimed to know the how the world would look if certain events had not taken place. What would the world look like without WWI? What if someone bought Hitler's paintings? Or what if Castro had been drafted by MLB?
Yes, the what if game is interesting at cocktail parties, however, the data is overwhelmingly conclusive that the standard of living and individual wealth is higher now than in 1914.
The reasons are multi-faceted. And trade policy is a component of that, as is tax policy, regulations, etc.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:03 pm to Jjdoc
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That is a fallacy. It's not an either or. That's just like saying we would not have cell phones and internet without free trade. Just a horrible fallacy.
You MAGA baws sure hate liberty and voluntary transactions.
"For the good of society"
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:10 pm to BCreed1
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Either we were rich and had tariffs or we did not.
We've had a new monetary system for over 100 years that you need to learn about.
Modern long term tariffs are retarded, and anyone your age who still believes they are a fix all is an embarrassment to mankind.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:12 pm to BCreed1
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Therefore, the tariffs have nothing to do with the price.
Damn.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:14 pm to Ten Bears
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Lawd, if you think that that the economic growth and wealth creation of the Gilded Age (1870-1914) didn't spawn from horrid labor conditions, low wages, child labor, etc, well....can't help you there. But keep thinking those tariffs generated all that "wealth."
Well I see it like this. Those jobs and industries would not have stayed in the USA without tariffs.
You are making my point for me..
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2 decades, and the data doesn't significantly change from 1890 to the wonderful magical year of 1914. Yet, there is something that happened in 1914. I cannot put my finger on it but it lasted for 4 years or so.
In fact it did! You can move it to 1913 if you want. It doesn't matter because you have failed to prove your point.
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Yes, the what if game is interesting at cocktail parties, however, the data is overwhelmingly conclusive that the standard of living and individual wealth is higher now than in 1914.
The reasons are multi-faceted. And trade policy is a component of that, as is tax policy, regulations, etc.
There we have it then. You do not know what the path from FDR until now would have produced as far as wealth, gdp...etc.
What we can go by is what took place. People paid no taxes, federal government was smaller and it was funded by tariffs. During that time we became the richest nation on earth.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:16 pm to Jjdoc
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Well I see it like this. Those jobs and industries would not have stayed in the USA without tariffs.
So you believe that American industry needs permanent subsidies in order to stay in business.
fricking socialist.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:16 pm to Jjdoc
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It's not an either or.
Kind of like increasing tariffs and income tax?
Jjobama loves his shell game.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:18 pm to Jjdoc
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Your flaw is simply this, you think the future from 1914 til now would not have been as good. Fact is, you do not know.
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Well I see it like this. Those jobs and industries would not have stayed in the USA without tariffs.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:18 pm to Jjdoc
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During that time we became the richest nation on earth.
We were on the gold standard, Slick.
Modern economies create wealth
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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We were on the gold standard, Slick.
FDR became President in 33. The same year we abandoned the gold standard, slick.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:24 pm to BBONDS25
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FDR became President in 33.
Which means you bitches have only misunderstood the economy for 92 years instead of 100. Congrats!
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:27 pm to BBONDS25
You know good and well Roger is a lost cause. He truly believes that the USA was a socialist nation prior to FDR... the father of all good to Roger.
You just saw that in his previous post when he used those exact words.
You just saw that in his previous post when he used those exact words.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:28 pm to Jjdoc
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You know good and well Roger is a lost cause.
Why do American companies need constant Govt subsidies, Junior?
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:30 pm to BBONDS25
Like I said. He thinks the USA was a socialist nation prior to FDR.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why do American companies need constant Govt subsidies, Junior?
The US needs tariffs to balance the trade deficit. Whether you call it subsidies for American companies or not does not change the fact that the trade deficit must be fixed.
Posted on 3/25/25 at 5:33 pm to Warboo
Free trade moved money out of the USA.
It ended jobs and destroyed the middle class.
Just as the money moved out, it will be moved back in and rebuild the middle class.
It ended jobs and destroyed the middle class.
Just as the money moved out, it will be moved back in and rebuild the middle class.
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