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Bloomberg Equivalent to Rispone?
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:00 am
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:00 am
Put up a ton of money, hires campaign staff out the wazoo who won't do much more than collect fat checks.
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:02 am to CitizenK
Except Bloom wont screw his party by dragging his fellow dems through the dirt
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:06 am to CitizenK
Except Bloomberg was a two term mayor of the most important city in the Western Hemisphere and ...Rispone?
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:25 am to CitizenK
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Put up a ton of money, hires campaign staff out the wazoo
Why the hell did Rispone hire a bunch of carpetbaggers that had no idea how louisiana politics work instead of real louisiana politicos that have won races here before?
For the runoff, Rispone should've hired Jim Donelon's campaign manager as he did a superb job winning a low profile statewide race for a 16 year incumbent against another republican with even less money.
But the carpetbaggers didn't want that as the fraudulent scam they were running on Rispone would've been exposed.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:26 am to beachdude
Rispone is taller
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:43 am to CitizenK
Not really, the only difference is Bloomberg isn't a clueless retard when it comes to politics.
That said, Bloomberg has no shot winning anything
That said, Bloomberg has no shot winning anything
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:13 pm to tzimme4
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Not really, the only difference is Bloomberg isn't a clueless retard when it comes to politics.
Seems too soon to make this declaration on a national scale.
A lot of what I'm seeing from him so far, though, makes me wonder whether he isn't.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:14 pm to CitizenK
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Bloomberg Equivalent to Rispone?
yes- the similarities are striking.
Bernie is also similar to Abraham - stuck at about 20~25% but can’t break out.
The problem is Bloomberg doesn’t have the time Eddie had - he has 2 weeks to show he can play.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:30 pm to tzimme4
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Not really, the only difference is Bloomberg isn't a clueless retard when it comes to politics.
He came within 40k votes of ousting a popular incumbent governor. You may not like the fact that JBE is popular, but that doesn't change the fact. And JBE still needed record turnout from EBR and Orleans.
The "Rispone ran a bad campaign" meme is at best overstated.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:32 pm to BigJim
Oh shite, now you’ve done it. 5,000 word diatribe from Sentrius incoming
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:39 pm to BigJim
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He came within 40k votes of ousting a popular incumbent governor.
JBE never got over 50.1% in any poll and vote totals until the very last one in the runoff and he went from winning by 13 points in 2015 to barely scraping by 2 points in 2019 and that's on top of losing quite a few parishes he won in 2015 including the one I live in right now.
That's not what a "popular incumbent Governor" is supposed to do.
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And JBE still needed record turnout from EBR and Orleans.
And Rispone did nothing to contest EBR and New Orleans. Absolutely nothing.
He thought the sticks and enough of the suburbs would be enough and he was wrong.
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The "Rispone ran a bad campaign" meme is at best overstated.
Rispone insulted the City of New Orleans and Jefferson Parish to some extent as well. He insulted voters there.
Insulting the electorate is what bad campaigns do.
Have you ever heard Trump insult voters like Rispone did?
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:45 pm to boosiebadazz
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Oh shite, now you’ve done it. 5,000 word diatribe from Sentrius incoming
Haha!
Look Sentrius isn't wrong-the out of town consultants dropped the ball in a few different ways (lack of effective negative attacks on JBE/not focusing on the policies Rispone did know in detail). But so did JBE and his folks. We just don't talk about them because he won.
In a close game any mistake could have changed the outcome; human nature is just to focus on the losers's mistakes to figure "what could have been different." But that is not the same as saying the loser didn't do a good job. A close lose by a political neophyte against a popular incumbent governor (with heaving support from the media) is nothing to be ashamed of, even if we would want to have seen a different outcome.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:49 pm to Sentrius
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Have you ever heard Trump insult voters like Rispone did?
Orleans didn't turn out because they disliked Rispone, they turned out because they disliked Trump.
Now on balance I think Trump helped Rispone much more than he hurt him, but JBE ABSOLUTELY used Trump as a way to get people to the polls.
And JBE's approval rating was usually between 54-56%. Yes he was a beatable incumbent, but people generally liked him even if they didn't want him reelected.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:52 pm to BigJim
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A close loss by a political neophyte against a popular incumbent governor (with heaving support from the media) is nothing to be ashamed of,
Rispone asked for the responsibility and privilege to be the conservatives standard bearer and their candidate to defeat JBE.
He lost and we have to live with the results from a second term for JBE.
Rispone deserves all the criticism and shame he gets thrown his way.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:57 pm to BigJim
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Orleans didn't turn out because they disliked Rispone, they turned out because they disliked Trump.
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Now on balance I think Trump helped Rispone much more than he hurt him, but JBE ABSOLUTELY used Trump as a way to get people to the polls.
I can agree with this and still believe my point about Rispone insulting New Orleans is valid.
I've long believed that Trump is a double edged sword as a turnout tool. And that's why the GOP has to have to have a good candidate running a very competent and disciplined campaign to hedge against the negative effects of Trump turnout machination.
But that was not reality in this case with Rispone being a good candidate running a terrible campaign that divided the base too much.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:00 pm to Sentrius
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But that was not reality in this case with Rispone being a good candidate running a terrible campaign that divided the base too much.
I'm not sure how much you can separate the quality of a candidate from the quality of his ability to run a campaign.
I'd suggest they largely go hand in hand.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:07 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I'm not sure how much you can separate the quality of a candidate from the quality of his ability to run a campaign.
Rispone had a great rags to riches story that could've resonated with the electorate.
Furthermore, instead of running as some Trumpy outsider, he could've sold himself as a pillar of the community that provided gainful employment to thousands of Louisianans and wants to bring real change to the statehouse. His two best ads showcasing those two things were one with his daughter and another one with his employees.
Those two highly effective ads ran for only a couple weeks and then it was back to the usual mini Trump bullshite.
That just shows you that Rispone didn't care about having a message that went beyond Trump.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:26 pm to Sentrius
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Rispone asked for the responsibility and privilege to be the conservatives standard bearer and their candidate to defeat JBE.
Agree
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He lost and we have to live with the results from a second term for JBE.
Agree (including Rispone and his business, I might add)
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Rispone deserves all the criticism and shame he gets thrown his way.
It does not follow.
If JBE doesn't get the massive voter turnout push, Rispone wins and we would all be talking about how great he did.
Yes, Rispone could have done better. So could every candidate in every race. There is plenty of blame to go around:
-Rispone as already discussed
-Abraham for not being ready to debate, nice a guy as he is
-Kennedy for screwing everyone by freezing the field for so long
-State media (aka the Advocate) for being so slanted
-JBE for running a strong campaign
-Voters for not really understanding how terrible JBE is
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:36 pm to BigJim
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It does not follow.
It's pretty simple.
You lose, you get Monday morning quarterbacked to hell.
You win, the juice is worth the squeeze.
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-Abraham for not being ready to debate, nice a guy as he is
-Kennedy for screwing everyone by freezing the field for so long
-State media (aka the Advocate) for being so slanted
Agree.
I suspect that John Kennedy will have to run against JBE anyway as I suspect JBE will challenge him in 2022 for his Senate seat.
It would be a low risk, high reward move for JBE and Kennedy will face the competition he was afraid to run against in the first place that political rookie Rispone nearly beat.
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-Voters for not really understanding how terrible JBE is
I think they understood a lot and that was reflected in JBE losing quite a few parishes he won in 2015 including the one I live in right now.
JBE went from winning by 13 points to just scraping by 2 points four years later thanks to a coalition of disgruntled Abraham voters and massive turnout in EBR and Orleans.
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:54 pm to CitizenK
Can confirm both Abraham and Rispone ran terrible campaigns.
I told a relative that he was wasting his money donating to either of them because neither had any clue what they were doing, and whichever made the runoff would not only lose, but would not evenu pose a serious challenge.
Those were two of the worst campaigns I’ve ever witnessed from candidates running for that high-level an office.
What makes it really sad is that JBE was not a strong incumbent and could have been beaten fairly easily with just a decent GOP candidate running an average campaign.
I was aghast when I first saw who all had qualified. I lost all hope when I observed no presence at all in Jefferson/STP (two of the state’s most Republican parishes) for Abraham, and nothing but terrible TV ads, yard signs and bumper stickers for Rispone.
The Campaign Manager for a then-prominent elected official running for re-election once told me, “signs don’t vote.”
It’s too bad nobody got the message to the GOP’s gubernatorial candidates before the elections. Neither had any meaningful grassroots campaign presence in SELA, at least none that I observed.
IDK what they did across the rest of the state, but the southeast portion is critical for Republicans running against a viable Dem candidate who can actually win. I’d like to know if they just took it for granted that they’d get high turnout and overwhelming support in red parts of SELA and made a strategic decision to divert resources elsewhere, or if they were genuinely that clueless and incompetent with regard to running and winning a statewide campaign in Louisiana.
I don’t know either candidate personally so I can only guess what was going through their heads.
I told a relative that he was wasting his money donating to either of them because neither had any clue what they were doing, and whichever made the runoff would not only lose, but would not evenu pose a serious challenge.
Those were two of the worst campaigns I’ve ever witnessed from candidates running for that high-level an office.
What makes it really sad is that JBE was not a strong incumbent and could have been beaten fairly easily with just a decent GOP candidate running an average campaign.
I was aghast when I first saw who all had qualified. I lost all hope when I observed no presence at all in Jefferson/STP (two of the state’s most Republican parishes) for Abraham, and nothing but terrible TV ads, yard signs and bumper stickers for Rispone.
The Campaign Manager for a then-prominent elected official running for re-election once told me, “signs don’t vote.”
It’s too bad nobody got the message to the GOP’s gubernatorial candidates before the elections. Neither had any meaningful grassroots campaign presence in SELA, at least none that I observed.
IDK what they did across the rest of the state, but the southeast portion is critical for Republicans running against a viable Dem candidate who can actually win. I’d like to know if they just took it for granted that they’d get high turnout and overwhelming support in red parts of SELA and made a strategic decision to divert resources elsewhere, or if they were genuinely that clueless and incompetent with regard to running and winning a statewide campaign in Louisiana.
I don’t know either candidate personally so I can only guess what was going through their heads.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 1:58 pm
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