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re: BlackRock suffered $1.6 trillion in losses in 6 months
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:14 pm to wutangfinancial
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:14 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:You lost me on that, wutang.
so much in assets that a simple rebalancing won’t crash the markets. Single stock names will just go straight to $0.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:21 pm to NC_Tigah
It’s not hard to understand if you know how the equity markets are structured. There’s no liquidity because there is inelastic demand for shares that are increasingly scarce. Mostly due to retirement flows and buybacks creating a self feedback loop that shits down active funds for passive funds. Vanguard did a rebalance in their largest retirement target date fund in 2014 out of US equities and into EM equities. Wall Street woke up to blue chip equities trading at $0 because there was no market for that many shares at once. There are other examples including in Shanghai when their “markets” were limit up for weeks every single day and then it crashed to $0 all at once when the first person hits sell.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:22 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:Multiple times in history "single stock names have gone to $0"? WTF do you even think you're talking about?
It’s so funny it’s already happened multiple times throughout history. Do you dance like a clown too?
BlackRock's equity holdings are largely indexed - which means that the single stock names are large enough to be IN an index in the first place. The idea that selling activity from BlackRock is going to cause a single name to go to ZERO is utterly preposterous.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:25 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:just no
Wall Street woke up to blue chip equities trading at $0 because there was no market for that many shares at once.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:28 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:
Wall Street woke up to blue chip equities trading at $0 because there was no market for that many shares at once.
So who held the shares at $0 ?
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:29 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:I agree that equity markets are thinner and more brittle than we used to be used to.
There’s no liquidity because there is inelastic demand for shares that are increasingly scarce.
quote:Sorry, but no. "Blue chip" names did not trade from tens/hundreds of billions of market cap to 0. Ever.
Wall Street woke up to blue chip equities trading at $0 because there was no market for that many shares at once.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:30 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:He's out of his mind.
So who held the shares at $0 ?
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:32 pm to deeprig9
quote:
ETA- even Southern Company has a higher score than Tesla, and they literally burn coal for a living.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:35 pm to keakar
quote:
must have had a big chunk in bitcoin
THEY HAVE BOUGHT UP PARTS IF NOT ALL OF SUBDIVISIONS IN MAJOR CITIES TO RENT TO FAMILIES WHO WILL LOSE THEIR HOUSES IN COMING RECESSION....
Soon to make trillions
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:38 pm to LSUvet72
quote:WTF does that even mean? Lose their houses to...rental landlords?
THEY HAVE BOUGHT UP PARTS IF NOT ALL OF SUBDIVISIONS IN MAJOR CITIES TO RENT TO FAMILIES WHO WILL LOSE THEIR HOUSES IN COMING RECESSION....
Also, BlackRock owns about 80K homes in total - out of like 120 million or more.
Just take this conspiracy nonsense and move it on down the line.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:47 pm to NC_Tigah
Other shareholders who believed the market price at $0 was below the intrinsic value of the shares
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:51 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:Please link to any news from 2014 reporting this "zero" event of yours.
Other shareholders who believed the market price at $0 was below the intrinsic value of the shares
Posted on 7/23/22 at 12:54 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:I see what you are saying. And agree. I think the others are forgetting shareholders are the last to get paid. (book value != market cap). And they are looking for a $0 trade on the ticker history.
Other shareholders who believed the market price at $0 was below the intrinsic value of the shares
EDIT: There it is!
quote:
Please link to any news from 2014 reporting this "zero" event of yours.
This post was edited on 7/23/22 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/23/22 at 1:01 pm to the_truman_shitshow
quote:BTW, the article is pathetic in that it doesn't provide the denominator to measure the $1.6T in losses against.
the_truman_shitshow
Posted on 7/23/22 at 1:03 pm to Taxing Authority
WSJ - Storytelling of a Flash Crash
Sorry my beez. I'm conflating the german bund crash related to Citadel trading derivatives. You're entire melt has been extremely delicious because of 1) how unfounded it is in the facts of the modern day structure of the markets from a supply and demand perspective and 2) It takes 0 intellectual capacity to understand as this phenomena has happened in HY and IG bonds and treasuries all within the past 2 years setting off the largest stimulus package in human history to stop the daisy chain from unwinding. All 10 years after doing the same thing and regulating away the same risks
If you want another example of the logical conclusion without government intervention look up the unwinding of XIV.
To NC and TA thank you for just asking questions like normal people instead of calling me crazy
Sorry my beez. I'm conflating the german bund crash related to Citadel trading derivatives. You're entire melt has been extremely delicious because of 1) how unfounded it is in the facts of the modern day structure of the markets from a supply and demand perspective and 2) It takes 0 intellectual capacity to understand as this phenomena has happened in HY and IG bonds and treasuries all within the past 2 years setting off the largest stimulus package in human history to stop the daisy chain from unwinding. All 10 years after doing the same thing and regulating away the same risks
If you want another example of the logical conclusion without government intervention look up the unwinding of XIV.
To NC and TA thank you for just asking questions like normal people instead of calling me crazy
Posted on 7/23/22 at 1:28 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:You were talking about the fricking flash crash?
WSJ - Storytelling of a Flash Crash
quote:You casually asserted that "blue chip stocks" opened at $0 - and further added the fantasy that it was somehow because of BlackRock.
To NC and TA thank you for just asking questions like normal people instead of calling me crazy
You ARE crazy.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 1:29 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:
There are other examples including in Shanghai when their “markets” were limit up for weeks every single day and then it crashed to $0 all at once when the first person hits sell
Why don't we get a link to this made-up event also, while you're at it?
Posted on 7/23/22 at 2:01 pm to Big Scrub TX
The flash crash is one example of a blue chip having no bid. Continue melting it’s delicious.
Posted on 7/23/22 at 2:04 pm to wutangfinancial
quote:You can make up all the fake news you want, but blue chip stocks literally never traded at $0.
The flash crash is one example of a blue chip having no bid. Continue melting it’s delicious.
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