re: Black women are the most educated group

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No you use common data sets to compare. For a speed WR, you gauge data set 1. If you use worse comparable scores, just to get more white speed WRs in the league. . .did you make the speed WRs better?

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You can try to simplify this all you want. The draft selections confirm what I am saying. For example, even when a team is looking for a "speed" WR to compliment a larger, red zone type....they don't just pick the player with the fastest 40. Or even the one who had the best numbers in college. The combine is a workshop where the whole point is to get objective numbers and place athletes in common data sets to compare. Yet we can never predict who will get drafted before whom each year. Why is that?

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nice to meet you...

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Welcome!

I hope you continue to participate in discussions on the board.

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Finally. Average black ACT score in 2016. 17 

Whites? 22 
Asians? 23 

I should add. 

On HS benchmarks, blacks score worse than EVERY group in English to INCLUDE children of 1st generation Hispanic immigrants. 

I frankly don't even know how that's fricking possible. ?

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I think its based on the number of Blacks educated relative to their share of the population.

Here is a common example. "More whites are on welfare compared to Black people". Numerically this is true according to US census. However, Blacks are overrepresented in welfare based on their share of the US population, 13%.

So the article is probably saying that black women are the most educated given their share of the population. I don't know the numbers but this is a hypothetical:

60% of white women have an AS degree or higher.

70% of Black women have an AS degree or higher.

But keep in mind, Black women are a smaller share of our population. And as you stated, the degrees types will be disproportionately represented.

As you stated, the score levels are not equal, so a certain share of the Black population is going to community college or schools with forgiving standards.

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For example, even when a team is looking for a "speed" WR to compliment a larger, red zone type....they don't just pick the player with the fastest 40. Or even the one who had the best numbers in college. The combine is a workshop where the whole point is to get objective numbers and place athletes in common data sets to compare

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All this is true. But you still have a baseline data set that you gauge each position. You would not take a guy that has 4.6 speed to be the deep threat, just because he was Maori or whatever

I have never stated that you use JUST test scores. I am saying it is the ONLY common data set for a fair comparison of a student's qualifications. You judge other ACADEMIC factors that may set the student apart.

Race is not an academic factor in any way, nor is gender.

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Most of those mortalities are medical errors even in elective surgeries that aren't "life saving".

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So?

Using random figures: If a guy loses 1 out of 3. . .and another loses 1 out of 100, I am not that interested if the first guy had some bad luck, or has a hoodoo curse on him. . .I am more likely to go with the second guy

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And your hypothetical about a surgeon never done a surgery before

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You wouldn't prefer a guy who has done it successfully more times, over the guy who has done it successfully less times?

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we cant say Applicant X is better than Applicant Y bc his MCAT score is higher. Maybe he is, maybe he isnt.

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But if MCAT #1 hails from Harvard, and MCAT #2 comes from Southeastern Louisiana Univ, then test scores become a very important point of comparison unless there is a more compelling point of comparison available.

If you take the Speed WR with the 4.5 over the guy with the 4.3 time, chances are there is an extraordinary factor that just overwhelms the baseline data. To my knowledge, race would not be considered an extraordinary factor.

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hat doesn't seem to be true.

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There are many reasons why people don't finish school. Lack of support is the LARGEST reason why people don't finish. You're assuming it all has to do with "flunking" out. Plus these stats don't match among people with similar obstacles or backgrounds, other factors outside of race. Doesn't even consider test scores.... so this is a reach.

Also, I said often. Not majority of the time necessarily. Yes there's a 10-20% difference in that graph, but this graph fails to show among those who are actually still enrolled. Sure, there's a lot of work still to be done, but these are on a systemic level as well as cultural level. And in average scores, I'm sure that among blacks there is a much larger standard deviation.

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You wouldn't prefer a guy who has done it successfully more times, over the guy who has done it successfully less times?

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It depends, if the guy has done the surgery successfully more times, but is 85 years old. I might be more obliged to go with the guy who has done is successfully but a fewer number of times. As long as he has done them successfully and knows what he is doing. It also depnds on the nature of the procedure. Also, for me, technique is more important. So this doctor may be doing a newer procedure, but he has a very strong knowledge base and can communicate with me more effectively about this, I'm gonna go with him more than likely, than someone who has an antiquated approach, but has done it many times. Or someone who finishes the procedures and it looks ok, versus someone who does the same procedure but with less scarring. Anyway, I'm done... You're not making good points and you really want to make some kind of point that someone is going to agree with but you can't prove your point because you don't have enough knowledge base to continue to effectively use this example.

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There are alot of slow guys getting drafted before faster guys.

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I am talking about Speed WRs, they generally get drafted based on speed 1st, unless there is an extraordinary reason not to