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re: Bernie going after Wal-Mart
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:07 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:07 pm to ShortyRob
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OK Bern. What do you think someone qualified to run the #1 company on the Forbes 500 is worth? At least as important. What do you think the monetary difference between having someone qualified vs unqualified? I'll bet it's more than $22M.
22 mil would be a drop in the bucket compared to what a $15 minimum wage would cost the company.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:08 pm to Catahoula20LSU
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Dollar General is cutting into their profit margin and so is Amazon.
Yep, had it not been Walmart, there would be another 'horrible' beast to take it's spot.
And many huge corps screw with small businesses, it's definitely not just major retailers that cause a problem in small towns.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:09 pm to ShortyRob
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Meh. The shifted away from the model that was causing this problem nearly 20 years ago.
That's because they already put 5,000 of their stores nationwide according to the model.
The model was complete, and it destroyed local business.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:09 pm to ShortyRob
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Destroying a business who cannot provide a service to their fellow Americans for a rate those fellow Americans consider competitive isn't really a bad thing.
Correct.
I mean, it's not like "mom and pop" were paying clerks huge wages before Walmart arrived. Walmart just figured out how to be more efficient.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:09 pm to piggilicious
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And many huge corps screw with small businesses, it's definitely not just major retailers that cause a problem in small towns
Yep. How many hardware stores have Home Depot and Lowes put out of business? It happens in all industries.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:09 pm to fallguy_1978
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22 mil would be a drop in the bucket compared to what a $15 minimum wage would cost the company.
And, let's talk about what happens when your CEO fails.
In 1990, K-Mart had more sales and revenue than Walmart.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:11 pm to Zach
Bernie came to a strike here at a hotel in SD that lasted for about 40 days or so. After plenty of negotiations, they settled and now the housekeepers and janitors start out at $21/hr and all of the workers, even the lowest positions, get a pension along with that hourly increase. It's fricking insane.
I said that, just to say frick Bernie. He went there, spit his socialist bullshite for about 30 mins and rolled out. Anyone who thinks hotel housekeepers and janitors deserve $21/hr AND a pension, has lost their fricking mind.
These type of jobs aren't meant to be made into careers, like Bernie and co. thinks they should be.
I said that, just to say frick Bernie. He went there, spit his socialist bullshite for about 30 mins and rolled out. Anyone who thinks hotel housekeepers and janitors deserve $21/hr AND a pension, has lost their fricking mind.
These type of jobs aren't meant to be made into careers, like Bernie and co. thinks they should be.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:11 pm to musick
quote:Not all 5000 were in small towns. Nowhere close.
That's because they already put 5,000 of their stores nationwide according to the model.
And, they ended up having to shut down most of those small town stores.
Hence, they stopped doing it. And they stopped like 20 years ago. It was certainly something to be mad about.........but frick.........it's been twenty years!!
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:14 pm to Wheaux
Holy shite. That's like $50-$60k per employee per year
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:20 pm to musick
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It's true actually. My dad is from Little Rock and the family knows people in Bentonville. My grandpa told me back in the 80s when I was a kid that Wal-Mart had a "takeover" division. Even back then they would meet regularly and look at maps and data to find the most strategic place to put a Wal-mart to put as many Mom & Pops out of business as possible in a square mile radius, therefore hurting small towns and driving business out, therefore driving people out of those towns. And this was before they got into food and grocery products.
And?
Were "mom and pop" stores employing lots of local workers? Were they paying "living wages" with benefits? Were they selling goods to people at a low cost?
I don't understand why mom and pop places are romanticized so much.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:22 pm to Wheaux
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Bernie came to a strike here at a hotel in SD that lasted for about 40 days or so. After plenty of negotiations, they settled and now the housekeepers and janitors start out at $21/hr and all of the workers, even the lowest positions, get a pension along with that hourly increase. It's fricking insane.
I said that, just to say frick Bernie. He went there, spit his socialist bullshite for about 30 mins and rolled out. Anyone who thinks hotel housekeepers and janitors deserve $21/hr AND a pension, has lost their fricking mind.
These type of jobs aren't meant to be made into careers, like Bernie and co. thinks they should be
Did the hotel raise their rates for now having to artificially overpay unskilled labor? How is their business doing?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:23 pm to Eighteen
quote:That's the little secret no one talks about.
Were "mom and pop" stores employing lots of local workers? Were they paying "living wages" with benefits? Were they selling goods to people at a low cost?
If you are the cashier at WalMart, you can legit hope to one day work into management.
If you are the Cashier at the local Mom and Pop............yeah. You need other plans. Oh, and Mom and Pop almost certainly had worse benefits if any. And, for all the complaining, Mom and Pop paid you less too!
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:25 pm to musick
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My dad is from Little Rock and the family knows people in Bentonville. My grandpa told me back in the 80s when I was a kid that Wal-Mart had a "takeover" division. Even back then they would meet regularly and look at maps and data to find the most strategic place to put a Wal-mart to put as many Mom & Pops out of business as possible in a square mile radius, therefore hurting small towns and driving business out, therefore driving people out of those towns. And this was before they got into food and grocery products.
Hmm, quite the boogeyman story there.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:25 pm to Eighteen
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I don't understand why mom and pop places are romanticized so much.
Well, if there were no Walmart, the same people would hate Mom and Pop stores.
People just like to bitch. They don't need a reason, nor do they need facts.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:26 pm to ShortyRob
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If you are the Cashier at the local Mom and Pop............yeah. You need other plans. Oh, and Mom and Pop almost certainly had worse benefits if any. And, for all the complaining, Mom and Pop paid you less too!
And for the consumer -- you got pretty much ONLY what Mom and Pop thought you might want.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Well, if there were no Walmart, the same people would hate Mom and Pop stores. People just like to bitch. They don't need a reason, nor do they need facts.
People still have the choice to support mom and pop stores when Walmart moves in.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:30 pm to upgrayedd
Yea, it's fricking insane man. I don't know what they were making before, but I imagine they got at least a $5-6/hr raise, however, what was really shocking to me was the fricking pension. That's just insane to me to pay those positions that much and give them pensions.
When I get a sec, I'll try to find a link that has the info in it. I heard this from a female who's a manager at the hotel. Even she was in shock. She dislikes most of those employees now because they treated her like shite since she didn't want to participate in the strike and stand there and yell "scabs!" at the replacement workers they brought in during the strike.
The videos of the strikers just shows how much they are really filth. Yelling shitty things and the replacement workers and harassing guest staying at the hotel during the strike and driving many of them to leave and stay at different hotels.
When I get a sec, I'll try to find a link that has the info in it. I heard this from a female who's a manager at the hotel. Even she was in shock. She dislikes most of those employees now because they treated her like shite since she didn't want to participate in the strike and stand there and yell "scabs!" at the replacement workers they brought in during the strike.
The videos of the strikers just shows how much they are really filth. Yelling shitty things and the replacement workers and harassing guest staying at the hotel during the strike and driving many of them to leave and stay at different hotels.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:33 pm to Wheaux
Unionized hotel workers usually make around 12/hour or so
I can't imagine them getting a pension though. Wow.
Hotels change hands so often that this will probably not last long.
I can't imagine them getting a pension though. Wow.
Hotels change hands so often that this will probably not last long.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:36 pm to ShortyRob
22,000,000 / 8416 (number of stores) = 2,614 per store. Doesn't sound unreasonable to me at all.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:37 pm to Alt26
quote:I'm not sure yet because the strike just ended about a week ago. I'm sure some of the guest who were harassed and had to leave because of ir, aren't too thrilled at the idea of going back to stay there.
Did the hotel raise their rates for now having to artificially overpay unskilled labor? How is their business doing?
I know the filming crew of Top Gun 2 were staying there and they all moved to another hotel. I can't imagine it helped their business in any way and as you mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if they had to raise the rates of rooms.
The hotel also rents out their conference rooms pretty much every day and they had to move all those meetings scheduled for their conference rooms to different locations because of the harassment. So, it didn't just hurt their bedrooms, it hurt a big money maker for them, which is renting out the conference rooms and catering the events that go on in them.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 1:38 pm
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