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re: Bad news for the “you do you” IVF crowd. Gay surrogate father is a tier 1 sex offender.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:48 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:48 am to burger bearcat
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Who is more crazy to the “middle”? The fat gay pervert guys that get to be with a boy, or me for opposing it?
I was discussing your opposition to IVF, not any specific example.
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:49 am to burger bearcat
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By supporting IVF for the cases you like, you are also supporting it for these cases.
Retard take from you on this as usual.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:51 am to GetMeOutOfHere
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Retatd take from you on this as usual.
Being anti-IVF is a particular brand of crazy extremist.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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I was discussing your opposition to IVF, not any specific example.
This video clip is the inevitable ends to Pandoras Box being opened. You can’t contain it.
Most people would watch this video and see the guy being a pervert, and would immediately be disgusted whether they admit it or not. Most people won’t admit it out loud but think the child is not in a great environment to be raised in.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 10:59 am to burger bearcat
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This video clip is the inevitable ends to Pandoras Box being opened.
No it's not. Surrogacy exists outside of IVF, boss.
Your issue is with gay people adopting children or having them via surrogacy. None of that necessarily requires IVF.
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Most people would watch this video and see the guy being a pervert, and would immediately be disgusted whether they admit it or not. Most people won’t admit it out loud but think the child is not in a great environment to be raised in.
Again, none of this has anything to do with IVF directly.
I'll repeat what I said (since you missed it or somehow didn't understand).
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I was discussing your opposition to IVF, not any specific example.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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Being anti-IVF is a particular brand of crazy extremist.
What would the poll results be of slavery anywhere in the world in say 1700?
How about child marriages in India or somewhere a hundred years ago?
How about throwing children in a volcano for sacrifice to the gods in many cultures a few thousand years ago?
Why would I care what most of an ignorant and ill informed culture thinks about a subject?
Most regular people are extremely uniformed of the bio-ethical issues with IVF and surrogacy. On surface it certainly seems like a good thing and most of the media and culture promotes it. Obviously the population will go along with it.
The Catholic Church and some Protestant churches anre opposed to it, but is extremely weak about making that known. When was the last time a priest or Pastor preached to their people about it?
No wonder most people blindly are ok with it. I’m not going to blindly follow the lemmings over this cliff. It’s morally wrong, and anyone who has thought about the subject deeply and has moral or religious conviction would come to this conclusion.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:00 am to burger bearcat
Access to IVF and giving 2 gay dudes the ability to raise a kid are two completely different arguments.
You can be against surrogacy and be in favor of IVF. This isn't complicated.
You can be against surrogacy and be in favor of IVF. This isn't complicated.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:04 am to burger bearcat
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and anyone who has thought about the subject deeply and has moral or religious conviction would come to this conclusion.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:08 am to SlowFlowPro
I don’t get your argument? Are you saying that my views on any given subject and its moral implications should be based on what the greater population thinks about it?
So if I lived in Saudi’s Arabia and believed didn’t believe the teachings of Islam, and believed in Christianity, would that somehow make my beliefs invalid? Because most of Saudi’s Arabia disagrees with me and that’s where I lived?
So if I lived in Saudi’s Arabia and believed didn’t believe the teachings of Islam, and believed in Christianity, would that somehow make my beliefs invalid? Because most of Saudi’s Arabia disagrees with me and that’s where I lived?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:10 am to burger bearcat
If you wanted kids then you shouldn’t have been a fig.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:11 am to GetMeOutOfHere
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Access to IVF and giving 2 gay dudes the ability to raise a kid are two completely different arguments. You can be against surrogacy and be in favor of IVF. This isn't complicated.
You can try to separate the two, but they are inherently linked and both are branches of the same “I can be my own god” tree. IVF, surrogacy, gay marriage are all about rejecting nature to create a new false reality about the world.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:11 am to burger bearcat
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I don’t get your argument? Are you saying that my views on any given subject and its moral implications should be based on what the greater population thinks about it?
That poll I posted was not "the greater population". It was specific to people who believe life starts at conception, which are typically religious and who have examined morality through that lens.
You claimed those people would take your views. You were wrong.
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would that somehow make my beliefs invalid?
Your beliefs bout IVF are separate from your claims about the evolution of others.
And I didn't call your beliefs "invalid".
I specifically labeled them as, "a particular brand of crazy extremist."
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:12 am to burger bearcat
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You can try to separate the two, but they are inherently linked
Update: they are not.
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and both are branches of the same “I can be my own god” tree.
Holy shite
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is the crazy that turns off the middle, ultimately.
Yeah, like the last election.
You told us. You told us that overturning Roe v Wade would cost the election. You were sure of it, and you told us.
And you were right, because if the right stands on any principles, including ones as basic and fundamental as the right to life, everyone will know that we're crazy and they won't vote for us.
Yep. That's what you told us and we should have listened. If we had, we might have kept the House, won the Senate, and the White House.
But we didn't listen, and you see what happened.
Wait...
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
(In response to ghey meme and chart)
You didn't read his qualifications.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:15 am to wackatimesthree
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Yeah, like the last election.
We're talking about the next election, or the one after, as an inverse of the last election (when the left took things too far socially)
When the right gets comfortable, they start vomiting out insanity like this thread....Just like we saw in 2024 after the Left got too comfortable vomiting out their extreme social bullshite.
That's why a cultural cycle is usually only 8-10 years at most and the parties flip thereafter.
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You told us. You told us that overturning Roe v Wade would cost the election.
That hurt the 2022 midterms a great deal and basically neutered the GOP.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 11:16 am
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:16 am to burger bearcat
They have nothing to do with each other.
Should we eliminate foster kids because a pair of gays could get their hands on a kid that way, too?
Do you go find IVF kids and tell them they are abominations to God? That's what you're doing in this thread.
Should we eliminate foster kids because a pair of gays could get their hands on a kid that way, too?
Do you go find IVF kids and tell them they are abominations to God? That's what you're doing in this thread.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:16 am to wackatimesthree
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You didn't read his qualifications
I did
I think you missed the population sampling of that poll.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:18 am to burger bearcat
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Why would I care what most of an ignorant and ill informed culture thinks about a subject?
Most regular people are extremely uniformed of the bio-ethical issues with IVF and surrogacy.
Him saying stuff like this
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Being anti-IVF is a particular brand of crazy extremist.
Leads me to believe that he himself doesn't know anything about how IVF works. It's effectively having 4-8 abortions with every implant.
But then again, he's been on record frequently reminding us that we can't win elections if we stand on the principle that just because babies in utero are small, that doesn't mean we should be able to kill them at will.
So apparently being pro-life is a particular brand of crazy extremist to him.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 11:19 am to burger bearcat
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Gay surrogate father
You mean men can't have babies?
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