re: Authoritarian Voting Tendencies

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Thanks for the links. It's a real concern. The younger one is the less likely one is to say that living in a democracy is essential ( LINK). These attitude changes have been seen in other countries where "democratic deconsolidation" has occurred with degradation of democratic processes, failures in rule of law, free speech & press, rights of dissidents, etc. Trump is a symptom of devaluation of traditional democratic norms and a preference of some for authoritarians.

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Thank you for your eloquent response. From and end game or Longview sort of goal I feel like the rise of authoritarian opinion and support of trump is actually something that can help the Progressive Movement, which got out of control towards the end of the Obama presidency.

I truly believe that the pendulum swings back and forth up a staircase and human evolution. In this case, I believe that progressives wanted a movement that was progressing too quickly to consider all of society and the backlash was one that was equal in response, considering only certain members of society.

I'm actually concerned that this authoritarian swing will start become incredibly prevalent on both sides of the aisle.

For those familiar with how to destroy Society, from USSR propaganda, this is starting to look eerily like that

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Based on those 2 paragraphs my intelligence wouldn't get stimulated by engaging with you

You're a waste people's time

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Yet you are engaging with me and providing no actual substance. Who's wasting more time?

Not really. Good point! This is why people don’t engage you when you flail about. I thought this was a thread about Pearl Jam anyway. Wtf?

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Not really. Good point! This is why people don’t engage you when you flail about. I thought this was a thread about Pearl Jam anyway. Wtf?

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Lol. My father was a lawyer before he retired. Half the things I say on this board are me just trying to be Devil's Advocate.

I do tend to lean more liberal but I'm definitely not social justice in the way that it's become and definitely hate Hillary and Trump.

I actually do feel like I agree with a lot of people on this board that I would never admit that I agree with. I do go to Liberal websites and do the same thing. I feel like I learn a lot more about where everybody's coming from and their entire arguments.

Having said that, most people in this border retarded and I can't help myself from being a dick.

I'm 38 now but when I was about 27 28 I would provide many paragraphs to support claims and now I'm just a troll I guess.

I do seek actual debate and knowledge sometimes though

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think that's prescient. Latin America has seen a rise of left-wing authoritarianism in previously fairly well-functioning democracies (e.g. Venezuela) while Eastern Europe (esp. Hungary, Poland) is seeing the rise of right-wing authoritarianism. Politics in the United States has traditionally been "between the 40 yard lines" of the political spectrum but we're seeing more extremism than I've ever seen in my lifetime.

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Actually believe Barack Obama, policy-wise, was barely better than GW. Sidebar: GW and his cabinet perpetrated some of the worst crimes on America and the world than any other Administration.

The difference was that Obama was actually able to speak well enough to sound like he was bringing everyone together

Running this country is hard with so many people split on only two parties. Having said that, what we really need right now is someone who can kind of bring everybody back together from the polarisation that we are currently experiencing.

I actually believe that is bad as a presidential candidate Trump is, he kind of brings the extreme liberals back off the ledge of insanity. Only problem is that he uses so much ego while doing it that he creates a divide that's very hard to reach across the aisle and shake the other guy's hand from.

I believe that both liberals and conservatives need to admit to themselves that we aren't being honest. There are tons of issues socially, from either side of the aisle, that no one is treating honestly. There are also issues, conservatively and fiscally, that we as a society aren't being honest about either.

It should never be an argument over socialism vs capitalism. Both have their merits in any given field where it's most necessary. We have to be able to separate whatever Association we have with either ideology and apply it where necessary

Any innovation technology wise or luxury wise should never be constrained unless it's harmful to citizens but free market can sort that out. By that same token, everyone should be open to education as a priority that we should all pay for. It benefits society as a whole to have educated people around you.

In college I was a huge fan of studying ancient tribes and how there was no clear-cut leader of the tribe until the situation necessitated one that was the best at that specific area.

Best hunter leads the hunt. Best Hut Builder builds the hut. Best healer heals The Herd.

It should be similar in our own Society if we're going to progress to what we could do to reach the Pinnacle of human evolution.

As a quick sidebar I would love to say that if an alien landed in California and everyone was bitching about not having fresh water to drink but yet we have rising ocean waters, the alien would be thoroughly confused at how we can't solve that problem.

I realize that is an oversimplification and an anecdotal response but the point remains. We should be able to solve all problems as a society in a way that is both Innovative and has incentive yet retains our Humanity

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Your fricking Pearl Jam handle is lame as hell, btw.

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You're thinking of Even Flow.
eta- nvm, someone already beat me to it.

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Um. Help me out here. Who are you talking about? Because in the campaign I watched one of the parties went out of its way to run a white people suck campaign. And if my demographic map is correct..........

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Dude, all political affiliation aside, there was no white people suck campaign. I actually really hate Hillary but there was no white people suck campaign and if you believe so please provide evidence

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You're out of your fricking mind. Deplorables was directed straight at white people

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It was directed at many of the people that are actually Trump fans at Trump rallies. You can try to pretend like they don't exist but they do and they are embarrassing to either party.

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There must have been at least a thousand mentions of the uneducated white male. Side note. You noticed no one ever talks about the voting patterns of the uneducated black male? 

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I'm not saying you're wrong but provide the evidence of these thousand posts by even doing 10% of that. To be honest, most of the uneducated black male doesn't really even vote. I have an equal amount of evidence as you do which is not much

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Oh and let's not forget Hillary's brilliant tweet about white people. That was on this boards I'm not going to look for it

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Well you should if you're going to use it as evidence. Again, I hate Hillary but I have no idea what you're talking about and you haven't done anything to educate me

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we are going to seriously try to have a conversation where I have to prove that liberals bring up the uneducated white male vote constantly then we're done here. I mean I was under the assumption on was talking to somebody who lived in the United States

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Well you should if you're going to use it as evidence.

I'm stating an opinion based on evidence I'm aware of. You can choose to seek it out or not. Not my problem. This internet tendency for people to be lazy is a you thing not a me thing

When I have conversations in real life and people make claims that I don't know are true I go check. Because it would be absurd to assume they have 2000 pages of notes in their pocket

The invention of digital communication didn't make me lazy.

And just so you know it isn't educating you if I have to hand hold you. Again. If you are the type of person who only accepts information if the other person shoves it down your throat but disregards all information not shoved down your throat without even looking that isn't being educated

Hillary's tweet on white people can't be fricking hard to find. It is a failing on your part if you can't be bothered to inform yourself in the face of being provided information

Believe it or not. That's how reasonably bright people had to do it 4 thousands of years prior to about 10 years ago

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I'm not saying that you're completely off base or that don't understand, I just need to see some of what you're actually basing this off of. That shouldn't be too hard right?

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real answers

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Hahaha...the anti-authoritarian will now be the final arbiter on what is 'real'.

Stereo-typical millennial BS...