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Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:53 pm to
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 7:53 pm to
People perceive it as a spiritual sensation when really it’s a behavioral practice.
Posted by Tigerinasia
Natchitoches
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:10 pm to
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You can’t escape your heritage. Your ancestral religion is basically in your DNA.


Wait, so how can it be that there was such a shift in religion across the planet from 33 to 500 AD and then beyond?
Posted by Harald Ekernson
Louisiana
Member since May 2025
384 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:16 pm to
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So maybe this is stupid

Pretty much

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I’m genuinely wanting to know

Or are you trying to flame?

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Why do atheists have a label?

Most people are right handed. Hey you can call left handed people nothing, as in don’t give them a label. But it’s human nature to give labels so we call them lefties.

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I don’t have a label because I don’t believe in Bigfoot.

That is the vast majority position. There’s not always a need to label 99.9% based on a belief.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 8:31 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66733 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:16 pm to
You’re comparing a 460+ year sample to a 1,500 year sample. Thats kind of my point.
Posted by TFH
Member since Apr 2016
3461 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:22 pm to
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Or are you trying to flame?

No, if I wanted to flame I’d just talk shite. I have no problem doing that.

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Most people are right handed. Hey you can call left handed people nothing, as in don’t give them a label. But it’s human nature to give labels so we call them lefties.

Yeah this one doesn’t fit. Atheists don’t believe something(left hand) exists, they believe nothing exists.

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That is the vast majority position. There’s not always a need to label 99.9% based on a belief.

It’s not the what I don’t believe in that’s important. It’s that I don’t believe in something. Say, man-made climate change. Lots of people believe in that and lots don’t. I don’t. The people who do believe in it are called Idiots and those of us who don’t are just ….people.
Posted by Harald Ekernson
Louisiana
Member since May 2025
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Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:24 pm to
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Atheism is the faith that something somehow came from nothing.

Most believe that matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed.

Theists (some) believe God speaks things into being, so it is theists who generally believe something came from nothing, just fyi.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Harald Ekernson
Louisiana
Member since May 2025
384 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:28 pm to
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they believe nothing exists

Some don’t believe in a deity. Some don’t believe in the deities of the world religions while not excluding the possibility of other cosmic powers.

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Say, man-made climate change. Lots of people believe in that and lots don’t. I don’t. The people who do believe in it are called Idiots and those of us who don’t are just ….people.

But they would call you a “climate change denier”. What’s so hard to get about labels? And get it right so you sound a little more intelligent- it’s “anthropogenic climate change”.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 8:30 pm
Posted by TFH
Member since Apr 2016
3461 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:32 pm to
Hey I’m just curious why they would want to be labeled. You haven’t really given me a reason but you seem like every other atheist I’ve ever talked to who just wants to obfuscate.
Posted by Harald Ekernson
Louisiana
Member since May 2025
384 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 8:36 pm to
I’m a nonconformist to any mainstream religion.

I think there’s some people who want to be labeled and some that don’t care.

It’s usually not a choice any way because a label is something someone else puts on you.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10330 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 10:28 pm to
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Theists (some) believe God speaks things into being, so it is theists who generally believe something came from nothing, just fyi.


Yes, it came our Creator
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10693 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:34 pm to
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So your heritage comes with its faith which for most people goes back as far as can be traced. It’s ingrained in your value system generationally. You can’t escape it


I see.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10693 posts
Posted on 9/11/25 at 11:37 pm to
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Most believe that matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed.

Theists (some) believe God speaks things into being, so it is theists who generally believe something came from nothing, just fyi.


That is incorrect.

The scientific consensus is that the universe came into being in an instant from a singularity. It has been mathematically proven that our universe cannot have existed past eternal. Look up the Borde–Guth–Vilenkin (BGV) theorem.

In a singularity matter, space, and time are, mathematically speaking, infinitely compressed, which is to say that they don't exist.

Theists/deists conclude from the available information that Something with volition that existed apart from the universe decided to cause the universe to explode into being.

Atheists conclude that the universe created itself.

Both groups agree that it was created out of nothing. The difference is that the first group's conclusion is logically possible. The second group's conclusion isn't.
This post was edited on 9/11/25 at 11:43 pm
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
3406 posts
Posted on 9/12/25 at 9:32 am to
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The scientific consensus is that the universe came into being in an instant from a singularity

Wrong. The universe began to expand from an infinitely small point.

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It has been mathematically proven that our universe cannot have existed past eternal. Look up the Borde–Guth–Vilenkin (BGV) theorem.

That’s a mathematical theorem based on a bunch of assumptions. It’s not a scientific theory or even a hypothesis and isn’t accepted amongst scientists to lend evidence to the universe having a beginning or popping into existence from nothing.

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In a singularity matter, space, and time are, mathematically speaking, infinitely compressed, which is to say that they don't exist

No scientists I know of state that matter and energy didn’t exist. Yes they were compressed and it began to rapidly expand.

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Theists/deists conclude from the available information that Something with volition that existed apart from the universe decided to cause the universe to explode into being.

Might be true for some. But a good Bible believer will believe the earth is 6000 years old and that God spoke it into existence.

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Atheists conclude that the universe created itself.

Absolutely not. Try to understand what you’re talking about before spouting misinformation. We believe matter and energy always existed and that it began to expand rapidly. The mechanism or cause may be unknown, but we don’t presuppose that a supernatural deity existing outside of time and space did it.

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Both groups agree that it was created out of nothing.

Wrong. This is another example of trying to project your own faults onto atheists, in the same line claiming atheists have faith and that atheism is a religion.
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