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re: At this point, how confident are you in a Trump victory in 2020

Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:40 pm to
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:40 pm to
After watching some of the festivities from tonight's "decadent sideshow gloryhole" of a Democrat Tranny Hall, my confidence remains at 100% or more.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29439 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:42 pm to
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and he’s lost more independent voters than he’s kept that won him those states. So I’d say not very likely.
You're so full of shite.

You think independents that voted for Trump are gonna abandon him for one of the lunatics the left has trotted out? Especially with the job Trump is doing.

Posted by braindeadboxer
Utopia
Member since Nov 2011
8742 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:46 pm to
The “blue wall” states are considered battleground states....

That should tell ya
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46058 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:47 pm to
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ctory in 2020 by CamdenTiger
Only way Trump loses is massive voter fraud


That’s evidenced by the resistance from Dims to pass national voter ID laws. They know if proof of citizenship is required to vote they’re in trouble.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
29439 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:48 pm to
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Polls are consistently showing that all the major Democratic candidates would beat President Trump.
Like all of the polls leading up to the election that showed Hillary with a huge lead?

You’re a dumbass. Post less.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8509 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:49 pm to
Unless he does something to frick up big time he will get reelected. If Warren is the nominee against him than it will be a blowout and it will take the Dems a few election cycles to recover.
This post was edited on 10/10/19 at 11:50 pm
Posted by LSUcc
St. Louis, MO
Member since Feb 2009
2057 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:50 pm to
I don’t need to do your own research for you, but HERE you can see how Trump is trending by state since taking office. It hasn’t improved anywhere (even deep red states) and has flipped in swing states. Most Independents voted for him for the simple reason they didn’t like Clinton, and thought he was the lesser of two evils. Now, there’s no Clinton and he has done and tweeted lots of stupid shite and not delivered on key promises (the border, health care, etc). Add in the high energy of Democrat voters to get out the vote, and that’s not good for him. Good luck.
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:52 pm to
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The “blue wall” states are considered battleground states....



He almost won Minnesota with 1 volunteer in 2016. He has every intention of winning Minnesota this year.....Minnesota
Posted by LSUcc
St. Louis, MO
Member since Feb 2009
2057 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:55 pm to
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Unless he does something to frick up big time


What would he have to do for you to consider not voting for him? Break a few laws right in front of your face? Because ya know, he’s already done that.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69294 posts
Posted on 10/10/19 at 11:56 pm to
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I don’t need to do your own research for you, but HERE you can see how Trump is trending by state since taking office. It hasn’t improved anywhere (even deep red states) and has flipped in swing states. Most Independents voted for him for the simple reason they didn’t like Clinton, and thought he was the lesser of two evils. Now, there’s no Clinton and he has done and tweeted lots of stupid shite and not delivered on key promises (the border, health care, etc). Add in the high energy of Democrat voters to get out the vote, and that’s not good for him. Good luck.
A few things.

1) General election polls this far out are horribly unreliable. Go and look at the 538 article on it. I tihnk the average error is like 14 points or something.

2) There is a decent chance dems will nominate a very left wing candidate. Sure, hillary was seen as corrupt, but she was also seen as "safe" by a lot of voters. She wasn't a full on socialist. Warren would be far to her left, and things like fracking bans, getting rid of private insurance, higher taxes, etc matter a lot of voters.

3) You keep on saying that "hillary was unpopular", but why are you assuming the eventual 2020 dem won't be unpopular as well?

4) Turmp was MORE UNPOPULAR than clinton on election day 2016 and still won. He actually has a higher favorability rating now than on Nov 8th, 2016.
This post was edited on 10/10/19 at 11:58 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69294 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:06 am to
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I used to do politics for a living.



You used to do politics for a living, yet you cite polls more than a year out as evidence of an outcome? Do you have any clue how unreliable polling is a year before a GE?

Furthermore, the polls show biden beating trump, but it shows a close race between warren/sanders and trump.

If the economy remains strong, wages keep rising, etc, it will be close.

I am not saying trump will have an easy path, but I cannot believe you are acting all confident and flippant again after what happened in 2016.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8509 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:08 am to
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What would he have to do for you to consider not voting for him? Break a few laws right in front of your face? Because ya know, he’s already done that.


Be specific, what laws has he broken as President?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:11 am to
Unless we are in a recession/Rudy G sinks him he will cruise
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69294 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:12 am to
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Break a few laws right in front of your face? Because ya know, he’s already done that.
What laws?
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:15 am to
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What laws?


He defended himself against lies and many broken laws with the Steele Dossier and FISA abuse. That is obstruction dummy
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69294 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:17 am to
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Unless we are in a recession/Rudy G sinks him he will cruise
He won't cruise, but I think he has an above 50% chance of winning, as long as biden isn't nominee.

It is not enough for dems that he is unpopular. People first and foremost think about their pocket,

They will vote for an a-hole who gave them a strong economy over someone who wants to raise their energy prices, take away their rifle, and threaten their private health insurance.

Not to much things like this absurd transgender event tonight on CNN will turn off rural voters.
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:24 am to
Trump will win. Hillary is a disaster, but she followed Barry and is married to Bill. She was a much better candidate than any of Dems running today. Dems doubled down on all of the things that cost them the last election. Without massive voter fraud Trump wins bigly.

Remember this gem "raise your hand if your plan provides health care for illegals"
Posted by LSUcc
St. Louis, MO
Member since Feb 2009
2057 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:28 am to
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but why are you assuming the eventual 2020 dem won't be unpopular as well?


1. The link isn’t general election numbers, those are approval ratings over time.

2. The independents that voted for Trump over Hillary didn’t see her as safe, which is why they didn’t vote for her.

3. Because none of the current Dems minus Biden (and I pray he doesn’t win the primary) have as much political baggage as Hillary.

4. He won the electoral college, yes, and clearly less popular as he didn’t win a majority of the vote. And he’s definitely less favorable now.
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:32 am to
Exactly what has he done that would deter those who voted for him last time to vote for him again?
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69294 posts
Posted on 10/11/19 at 12:32 am to
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3. Because none of the current Dems minus Biden (and I pray he doesn’t win the primary) have as much political baggage as Hillary.
We don't know that yet. Hillary didn't have baggage before the email scandal broke in summer of 2015.

I think bernie has baggage. Putting aside the socialism, he has said questionable things regarding communist strong men in his long activist career. Warren starting to face scrutiny over certain potential lies about her background.

All it takes is one good piece of investigative journalism to give a candidate lots of baggage.

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And he’s definitely less favorable now.
He has a higher favorability rating now than on november 8, 2016.
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