re: Arkansas father charged with murder after shooting 67-year-old man that had is daughter

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But I see your point. For all he knew she was kidnapped and in imminent danger. Would have been my assumption as a father.

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According to some you’d be wrong to assume that. Zero evidence that the child was at risk according to certain people.


You should’ve just let LEO’s handle it. Also, you brought a gun so when your child’s rapist attacks you, apparently you’re still in the wrong for bringing a gun in the first place.

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or when it was clear the girl wasn't in danger,

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I mean, arguably, was this ever the case?

She's with a child rapist in a car that just wrecked. I would (I believe reasonably) assume that she's in all sorts of imminent danger. He's not her 15 year old boyfriend the dad hates, he's an obviously unwell rapist who I'd assume is desperate and could do anything (rape, murder/suicide, etc.). How can you possibly gauge that she's not in immediate danger there?

Now, this may all get sorted at trial or there may be evidence I don't know about that'll pour water on it. But I can see a scenario where you're calling experts who talk about the danger of leaving a place with a rapist, how any child with a sex criminal will be considered at immediate risk of death by law enforcement and get the highest priority/response and so forth.

And I understand that realistically you're going to caveat this with the idea that at a basic level (leaving out consent) she went "willingly" and he hadn't previously "hurt" her and so forth. But good luck being a prosecutor having to explain how in his prior rape he'd actually not been all that bad a guy.

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One major assumption, that the pedo did not have a weapon which made the response disproportionate

It's an assumption for sure. For what we know now, I feel it's a very safe assumption

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You're most likely right seeing that they are still bringing charges against him.

Yeah I landed on the murder suicide prospect too.

As much as I don't want to admit it, I understand that this type of child rapist is probably wired differently than the prepubescent child rapist. I don't know the science there and I don't want to dive into it because it's nauseating, but I understand there probably is some distinction in terms of risk. If it were a 5 year old in a car with a sex offender I think every LEO in the country would bless you shooting him from a mile away to prevent escape.

But the law doesn't distinguish THAT much, so I think it'll still be a very hard case to win for the state.

But I assume you see my point.

If an 11 year old is missing and believed to be in a fleeing car with a sex offender that will categorically be of the highest risk subject to an Amber Alert and every available asset dispatched to help (I'm assuming but I think it's a safe assumption).

And why? I assume because the chance of that kid ending up dead if not caught very shortly thereafter is very, very high.

My point is that I wonder if those realities (it's dangerous per se regardless of the actions you witness other than proximity/presence) can be considered here.

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Dad may not have been able to fight him off physically, either… a La George Zimmerman the mostly white hispanic

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Trayvon was on top of GZ bashing his head into concrete.

This is more like the McMichael case in GA where people trying to take the law into their own hands become the initial aggressors and then claim when the person they were trying to detain fought back, that person became the aggressor (in that situation it was claims Aubrey tried to grab the shotgun, which put the McMichael's in reasonable fear for their life, justifying the killing).

That’s a wild assumption but super on brand for you.

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But I assume you see my point.

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No I see your point and that's why I've made several disclaimers emphasizing how this is a terrible situation all the way around without a magical perfect ending.

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If an 11 year old is missing and believed to be in a fleeing car with a sex offender that will categorically be of the highest risk subject to an Amber Alert and every available asset dispatched to help (I'm assuming but I think it's a safe assumption).

And why? I assume because the chance of that kid ending up dead if not caught very shortly thereafter is very, very high.

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Yes, like the case out of LA where the guy went to MS.

This is different a bit of a scenario. That doesn't make the threat 0, though

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SFP and that Roger homo guy will undoubtedly be here shortly to tell us why the father was wrong.

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Stop nitpicking. The point of that comparison is that the threat level is dependent on the individuals ability to physically defend himself relative to the attackers ability to kill you with his bare hands. Assuming you know he’s unarmed, which dad would be justified in assuming an Arkansas LEO and resource officer was packing. It’s Arkansas. Everyone is packing.